Date: 4/25/25 8:00 am From: Robert Ross <plumisl...> Subject: Re: [MASSBIRD] Backyard Bird List (Merlin) Newbury
Dear Zoltan:
Thank you for your email. MassBird listserv, to the best of my knowledge,
is not a science-based data collection platform. No one, and certainly not
I, was suggesting I was posting my list for scientific or data collection.
It is that assumption I am suggesting is unwarranted. I do not need to be
warned about something I did not suggest or imply.
To use an analogy off the top of my head, I offer this. If I post on
MassBird, as I have, an observation of birding behavior, does that suggest
I am declaring myself an ornithologist specializing in animal behavior? Of
course not. We must remember, our world is our world and not necessarily
everyone else's world. That was my primary point. All of us should be
allowed to share from our world, whether anyone else shares the same
perspective or not. I have often found new perspectives on MassBird, which
is one reason I value it and am thankful for it.
BTW: I found the swallows. If anyone would like a photo, let me know. I am
still searching for the crossbill š. I will add this--neither of these
species, or any others on my list, are necessarily wrong hits on Merlin.
All are possible; nearly all are likely and expected.
Sincerely,
Bob
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 11:17āÆPM Zoltan P <zoltanap...> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Good points. Merlin is a fantastic tool for helping birders and
> non-birders get engaged in the natural world around them. I have seen
> several non-birder friends get a spark from using Merlin, and before they
> knew it, they became birders.
>
> Merlin has improved tremendously over the last 2 years, and is a great
> tool for various use cases, for birders and naturalists of all stripes.
>
> That being said, Merlin is imperfect, and will likely remain so. The one
> thing I would suggest, in support of Joshās point, is that people should
> not submit sightings in Merlin-generated checklists unless they are very
> confident that the bird was present. This will help keep eBird data clean,
> which benefits countless scientific endeavors, and ultimately benefits the
> birds. I bet it would help ease the strain on the eBird reviewers as well.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Good birding to all!
>
> Zoltan
>
> > On Apr 24, 2025, at 7:29 AM, Robert Ross <plumisl...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Josh:
> >
> > Since I posted my list yesterday, I've fielded a few emails like
> > yours. Respectfully, you are missing the point.
> >
> > Firstly, not all birders are scientists. I happen to be in my 39th
> > year of academic publishing, all of it in STEM. However, I appreciate
> > the joy of birding. It is much more fun to think there might be a red
> > crossbill hanging around my backyard than it is to question Merlin's
> > program. I know about its limitations. Those who constantly point
> > these out might believe they are doing a service to the birding
> > community, the vast majority of whom are not credentialed scientists.
> > I would pose that you are not.
> >
> > Science is not about taking the joy out of someone's observations.
> > Merlin, though developed by scientists, is not meant to be used only
> > as a scientific tool. A seminal goal behind it, I believe, is to
> > encourage people to appreciate the hobby of birding and to experience
> > the joy of it. If that leads to the gathering of data, it's a win for
> > everyone. But if the tool is not accurate, it does not mean the tool
> > is worthless to the layman. It might appear so to a scientist and
> > those who instantly resent anyone posting a Merlin result of a bird
> > they have not seen themselves, but the point might not be accuracy in
> > all observations and reporting. Perhaps the point is simply to find
> > joy.
> >
> > I have introduced several people to the joy of birding by pointing
> > them to the Merlin app. All of them have come back to me and thanked
> > me as they now have a tool to learn what birds are around them,
> > whether they see these species or not. The next step is to search for
> > these birds, and when finding them, it is not all about confirming the
> > observation, listing these in an eBird checklist, and building a life
> > list. Many birders I know have zero interest in any list. It is simply
> > about appreciating nature, the nature around us we often overlook, and
> > the joy of it all.
> >
> > I would caution you, do not take the joy of birding away.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 4:48āÆPM Josh <opihi...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi MassBirders,
> >>
> >> I would not be too entirely trusting of Merlinās reports if you have
> not backed it up with your own observations of the birds it lists, or at
> least listening to Merlinās recording that it claims are the species in
> question. I often run Merlin while Iām out in our yard, and while it is
> right 99% of the time, and often detects the presence of less conspicuous
> birds before I do, I also catch it in mistakes often enough to keep me
> skeptical. In particular, it does get fooled by mimicry (almost as often as
> I do myself). On multiple occasions Iāve noticed it identifying a European
> Starlingās imitation of Eastern Meadowlark for the real-deal EAME. Iāve
> also caught it falling for a Blue Jayās rendition of a Red-shouldered Hawk.
> So, maybe the crossbill and swallow that surprised you were actually
> lurking in your neighborhood, but maybe notā¦.
> >>
> >> On another topic, a couple of birders in Granby (Hampshire County)
> reported hummingbirds at their feeders today; time to start brewing the
> sugar water!
> >>
> >> Good birding,
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >>
> >> Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D.
> >> Amherst, MA
> >> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/opihiman > >> https://www.facebook.com/opihi > >>
> >> Writer/compiler, Bird Observer
> >> https://www.birdobserver.org/ > >>
> >> Columnist, āEarth Mattersā
> >> https://www.gazettenet.com/search?bodysearch=earth+matters > >> https://www.hitchcockcenter.org/category/earth-matters/ > >>
> >> Vice-president, Hampshire Bird Club
> >> https://hampshirebirdclub.org/ > >>
> >> Northeast Chapter head, Dragonfly Society of the Americas
> >> https://www.dragonflysocietyamericas.org/northeastdsa > >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 23, 2025, at 8:40āÆAM, Robert Ross <plumisl...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here is as list of the birds recorded in my backyard this AM. I live
> >>> in the Byfield section of Newbury. I left Merlin on from 6:30-8:30
> >>> this morning. A few nice surprises.
> >>>
> >>> American Robin
> >>> Red-winged Blackbird
> >>> White-breated Nuthatch
> >>> Yellow-rumped Warbler
> >>> Savannah Sparrow
> >>> Palm Warbler
> >>> American Goldfinch
> >>> Carolina Wren
> >>> Northern Cardinal
> >>> White-throated Sparrow
> >>> House Finch
> >>> Song Sparrow
> >>> Tufted Titmouse
> >>> Black-capped Chickadee
> >>> Red-bellied Woodpecker
> >>> Blue Jay
> >>> Dark-eyed Junco
> >>> Chipping Sparrow
> >>> Eastern Bluebird
> >>> Morning Dove
> >>> American Crow
> >>> Brown-headed Cowbird
> >>> Eastern Phoebe
> >>> Canada Goose
> >>> Red Crossbill (!)
> >>> Northern Rough-winged Swallow (!)
> >>> Red-breasted Nuthatch
> >>> Fish Crow
> >>>
> >>> Faithfully submitted,
> >>>
> >>> Robert Ross
> >>> <plumisl...>
> >>> Byfield, MA
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
