Date: 10/21/25 7:09 am From: Jane Patterson via groups.io <seejanebird...> Subject: [labird] Baton Rouge Audubon Oct program 10/29 7pm eBird & Merlin
Baton Rouge Audubon's October program will be an overview of the Merlin and eBird apps. Jane Patterson will be presenting at the main Goodwood library in Baton Rouge. We'll have social (half) hour at 6:30pm and the program will start at 7pm. If you wish to participate via Zoom, please register in advance:
This program is designed for beginners and folks that have tried to use the apps and been frustrated by something. It's best if you have a basic familiarity with Merlin and eBird prior to the program so you know what questions you'd like to ask. Both the Merlin and eBird apps are free from Cornell, but you do have to create an account with Cornell. After installing the app, you will also install a "bird pack" that is appropriate to our area (Louisiana or Southeast United States). It's also suggested that you review the eBird Essentials course for a tutorial before this program.
Date: 10/16/25 8:21 am From: Katie Percy via groups.io <katiepercy...> Subject: Re: [labird] CBC Dates
Baton Rouge CBC will be Saturday, Jan 3rd.
Compiler email: <katiepercy...>
Thanks!
Katie
On Mon, Oct 6, 2025, 10:38 AM Rob Dobbs via groups.io <rcdobbs=
<gmail.com...> wrote:
> Lacassine-Thornwell CBC will be Sun. 12/14
> White Lake CBC will be Tues. 12/16
> Sweet Lake-Cam Prairie CBC will be Sat. 12/20
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 4:41 PM John Dillon via groups.io
> <kisforkryptonite=
> <gmail.com...> wrote:
>
> > CBC compilers,
> >
> > The deadline for information to be included in the LOS Winter Newsletter
> > is 1 Nov. Please email your CBC dates to me and to Marty Floyd at
> > <progne99...> and/or post them here.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > John Dillon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Robert Dobbs
> Lafayette, LA
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/12/25 8:17 am From: <arbour...> via groups.io <arbour...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Paul:
No I don't. But I am keeping my eyes open for one.
David Arbour
From: "Paul Dickson" <Paul...>
To: <muthdp...>, "Paul Conover" <zoiseaux...>, "David Arbour" <arbour...>
Cc: "LABIRD" <labird...>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 7:06:59 AM
Subject: RE: [labird] Listing Groups
Caleb: Great bird! I know of no historical record for the Red River drainage in Arkansas or Louisiana and there are none on Ebird.
David Arbour do you have a record at Red Slough?
Paul
From: <labird...> <labird...> On Behalf Of David P. Muth via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 7:58 PM
To: Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
Cc: LABIRD <labird...>
Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Caleb--
Good job finding the VGSW and taking swallow away from Conover.
David Muth
David P. Muth
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 3:11 PM Paul Conover < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] > wrote:
> David, labird,
>
> That's how it works, and now's a good time for it.
>
> PEC
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "David P. Muth" < [ mailto:<muthdp...> | <muthdp...> ] >
> Date: 10/4/25 2:47 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Paul Conover < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] >
> Cc: LABIRD < [ mailto:<labird...> | <labird...> ] >
> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
>
> The challenge is for someone to find a one-day wonder Violet-green Swallow
> away from southwest Louisiana so that a certain person will no longer have
> run that table.
>
> David P. Muth
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 2:39 PM Paul Conover via [ http://groups.io/ |
groups.io ] <zoiseaux=
> [ mailto:<lusfiber.net...> | <lusfiber.net...> ] > wrote:
>
>> I guess there are a lot of ways to look at it, but all of them are good
>> ways to pass the time when birds are on the mind but birding isn't on
>> the table. Lord knows I'd love to look out the window and see a
>> Lucifer's to fill in my state hummer card, but at the same time, I'd
>> like to see any hummer species that would make #9 for the yard. I'm easy.
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2025 2:28 PM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >
>> > Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of
>> > every member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages
>> > in the field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer
>> > Hummingbird to my Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling
>> > because the Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about
>> > 20 years ago turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a
>> > couple of dozen of them in West Texas.
>> >
>> > Titanium Nan
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Nancy, Labird,
>> >
>> > Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it
>> > when you filled in a page:)
>> >
>> > And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer
>> > card all filled in!
>> >
>> > PEC
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >> Gee Paul,
>> >>
>> >> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>> >>
>> >> NLN
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via [ http://groups.io/ |
groups.io ]
>> >> < [ http://groups.io/ | http://groups.io ] > < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Labird,
>> >>
>> >> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>> >> editions and
>> >> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or
>> >> the Golden
>> >> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I
>> >> could check off
>> >> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or
>> >> woodpeckers or
>> >> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in
>> >> celebrating
>> >> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with
>> >> other
>> >> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our
>> >> pages were
>> >> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>> >>
>> >> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds
>> >> I've seen
>> >> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each
>> >> group that I
>> >> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the
>> >> table on
>> >> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one
>> >> will ever
>> >> be able to complete a group list.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> >> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all.
>> >> Some
>> >> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I
>> >> also removed
>> >> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of
>> >> birders out.
>> >>
>> >> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting
>> >> species
>> >> being Brant.
>> >>
>> >> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>> >>
>> >> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had
>> >> them all, if
>> >> he had Red-necked.
>> >>
>> >> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the
>> >> only hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo
>> >> next hardest.
>> >>
>> >> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean
>> >> Nighthawk
>> >> record.
>> >>
>> >> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>> >>
>> >> Rails: Many
>> >>
>> >> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>> >> Black-tailed
>> >> Godwit also narrows the field.
>> >>
>> >> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>> >> tough, and
>> >> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>> >>
>> >> Terns: Several birders
>> >>
>> >> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>> >>
>> >> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and
>> >> Cory's and
>> >> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>> >>
>> >> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>> >>
>> >> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise
>> >> because of
>> >> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>> >>
>> >> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and
>> >> Flammulated
>> >> would be a tough pair.
>> >>
>> >> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>> >> Red-naped
>> >> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>> >>
>> >> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>> >>
>> >> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>> >>
>> >> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>> >>
>> >> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven
>> the
>> >> limiting species.
>> >>
>> >> Swallows: One birder.
>> >>
>> >> Wrens: Many
>> >>
>> >> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>> >>
>> >> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire
>> >> the hard pair.
>> >>
>> >> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>> >>
>> >> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>> >>
>> >> Orioles: Many
>> >>
>> >> Blackbirds: Many
>> >>
>> >> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by
>> >> several
>> >> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>> >>
>> >> Tanagers: Many
>> >>
>> >> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue
>> >> Bunting,
>> >> Pyrrhuloxia...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>> >>
>> >> Paul Conover
>> >>
>> >> Lafayette
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> Nancy L Newfield
>> >> Casa Colibrí
>> >> Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> >> [ mailto:<nancy...> | <nancy...> ]
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Nancy L Newfield
>> > Casa Colibrí
>> > Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> > [ mailto:<nancy...> | <nancy...> ]
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Date: 10/12/25 5:07 am From: Paul Dickson via groups.io <paul...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Caleb: Great bird! I know of no historical record for the Red River drainage in Arkansas or Louisiana and there are none on Ebird.
David Arbour do you have a record at Red Slough?
Paul
From: <labird...> <labird...> On Behalf Of David P. Muth via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 7:58 PM
To: Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
Cc: LABIRD <labird...>
Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Caleb--
Good job finding the VGSW and taking swallow away from Conover.
David Muth
David P. Muth
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 3:11 PM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...><mailto:<zoiseaux...>> wrote:
> David, labird,
>
> That's how it works, and now's a good time for it.
>
> PEC
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "David P. Muth" <muthdp...><mailto:<muthdp...>> > Date: 10/4/25 2:47 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Paul Conover <zoiseaux...><mailto:<zoiseaux...>> > Cc: LABIRD <labird...><mailto:<labird...>> > Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
>
> The challenge is for someone to find a one-day wonder Violet-green Swallow
> away from southwest Louisiana so that a certain person will no longer have
> run that table.
>
> David P. Muth
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 2:39 PM Paul Conover via groups.io<http://groups.io> <zoiseaux=
> <lusfiber.net...><mailto:<lusfiber.net...>> wrote:
>
>> I guess there are a lot of ways to look at it, but all of them are good
>> ways to pass the time when birds are on the mind but birding isn't on
>> the table. Lord knows I'd love to look out the window and see a
>> Lucifer's to fill in my state hummer card, but at the same time, I'd
>> like to see any hummer species that would make #9 for the yard. I'm easy.
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2025 2:28 PM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >
>> > Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of
>> > every member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages
>> > in the field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer
>> > Hummingbird to my Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling
>> > because the Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about
>> > 20 years ago turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a
>> > couple of dozen of them in West Texas.
>> >
>> > Titanium Nan
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...><mailto:<zoiseaux...>> >> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Nancy, Labird,
>> >
>> > Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it
>> > when you filled in a page:)
>> >
>> > And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer
>> > card all filled in!
>> >
>> > PEC
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >> Gee Paul,
>> >>
>> >> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>> >>
>> >> NLN
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io<http://groups.io> >> >> <http://groups.io<http://groups.io>> <zoiseaux...><mailto:<zoiseaux...>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Labird,
>> >>
>> >> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>> >> editions and
>> >> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or
>> >> the Golden
>> >> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I
>> >> could check off
>> >> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or
>> >> woodpeckers or
>> >> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in
>> >> celebrating
>> >> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with
>> >> other
>> >> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our
>> >> pages were
>> >> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>> >>
>> >> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds
>> >> I've seen
>> >> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each
>> >> group that I
>> >> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the
>> >> table on
>> >> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one
>> >> will ever
>> >> be able to complete a group list.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> >> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all.
>> >> Some
>> >> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I
>> >> also removed
>> >> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of
>> >> birders out.
>> >>
>> >> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting
>> >> species
>> >> being Brant.
>> >>
>> >> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>> >>
>> >> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had
>> >> them all, if
>> >> he had Red-necked.
>> >>
>> >> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the
>> >> only hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo
>> >> next hardest.
>> >>
>> >> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean
>> >> Nighthawk
>> >> record.
>> >>
>> >> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>> >>
>> >> Rails: Many
>> >>
>> >> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>> >> Black-tailed
>> >> Godwit also narrows the field.
>> >>
>> >> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>> >> tough, and
>> >> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>> >>
>> >> Terns: Several birders
>> >>
>> >> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>> >>
>> >> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and
>> >> Cory's and
>> >> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>> >>
>> >> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>> >>
>> >> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise
>> >> because of
>> >> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>> >>
>> >> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and
>> >> Flammulated
>> >> would be a tough pair.
>> >>
>> >> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>> >> Red-naped
>> >> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>> >>
>> >> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>> >>
>> >> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>> >>
>> >> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>> >>
>> >> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven
>> the
>> >> limiting species.
>> >>
>> >> Swallows: One birder.
>> >>
>> >> Wrens: Many
>> >>
>> >> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>> >>
>> >> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire
>> >> the hard pair.
>> >>
>> >> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>> >>
>> >> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>> >>
>> >> Orioles: Many
>> >>
>> >> Blackbirds: Many
>> >>
>> >> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by
>> >> several
>> >> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>> >>
>> >> Tanagers: Many
>> >>
>> >> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue
>> >> Bunting,
>> >> Pyrrhuloxia...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>> >>
>> >> Paul Conover
>> >>
>> >> Lafayette
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> Nancy L Newfield
>> >> Casa Colibrí
>> >> Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> >> <nancy...><mailto:<nancy...> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Nancy L Newfield
>> > Casa Colibrí
>> > Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> > <nancy...><mailto:<nancy...> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Date: 10/11/25 5:58 pm From: David P. Muth via groups.io <muthdp...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Caleb--
Good job finding the VGSW and taking swallow away from Conover.
David Muth
David P. Muth
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 3:11 PM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...> wrote:
> David, labird,
>
> That's how it works, and now's a good time for it.
>
> PEC
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "David P. Muth" <muthdp...>
> Date: 10/4/25 2:47 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
> Cc: LABIRD <labird...>
> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
>
> The challenge is for someone to find a one-day wonder Violet-green Swallow
> away from southwest Louisiana so that a certain person will no longer have
> run that table.
>
> David P. Muth
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 2:39 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
> <lusfiber.net...> wrote:
>
>> I guess there are a lot of ways to look at it, but all of them are good
>> ways to pass the time when birds are on the mind but birding isn't on
>> the table. Lord knows I'd love to look out the window and see a
>> Lucifer's to fill in my state hummer card, but at the same time, I'd
>> like to see any hummer species that would make #9 for the yard. I'm easy.
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2025 2:28 PM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >
>> > Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of
>> > every member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages
>> > in the field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer
>> > Hummingbird to my Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling
>> > because the Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about
>> > 20 years ago turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a
>> > couple of dozen of them in West Texas.
>> >
>> > Titanium Nan
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Nancy, Labird,
>> >
>> > Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it
>> > when you filled in a page:)
>> >
>> > And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer
>> > card all filled in!
>> >
>> > PEC
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >> Gee Paul,
>> >>
>> >> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>> >>
>> >> NLN
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io
>> >> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Labird,
>> >>
>> >> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>> >> editions and
>> >> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or
>> >> the Golden
>> >> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I
>> >> could check off
>> >> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or
>> >> woodpeckers or
>> >> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in
>> >> celebrating
>> >> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with
>> >> other
>> >> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our
>> >> pages were
>> >> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>> >>
>> >> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds
>> >> I've seen
>> >> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each
>> >> group that I
>> >> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the
>> >> table on
>> >> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one
>> >> will ever
>> >> be able to complete a group list.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> >> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all.
>> >> Some
>> >> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I
>> >> also removed
>> >> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of
>> >> birders out.
>> >>
>> >> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting
>> >> species
>> >> being Brant.
>> >>
>> >> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>> >>
>> >> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had
>> >> them all, if
>> >> he had Red-necked.
>> >>
>> >> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the
>> >> only hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo
>> >> next hardest.
>> >>
>> >> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean
>> >> Nighthawk
>> >> record.
>> >>
>> >> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>> >>
>> >> Rails: Many
>> >>
>> >> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>> >> Black-tailed
>> >> Godwit also narrows the field.
>> >>
>> >> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>> >> tough, and
>> >> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>> >>
>> >> Terns: Several birders
>> >>
>> >> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>> >>
>> >> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and
>> >> Cory's and
>> >> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>> >>
>> >> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>> >>
>> >> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise
>> >> because of
>> >> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>> >>
>> >> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and
>> >> Flammulated
>> >> would be a tough pair.
>> >>
>> >> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>> >> Red-naped
>> >> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>> >>
>> >> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>> >>
>> >> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>> >>
>> >> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>> >>
>> >> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven
>> the
>> >> limiting species.
>> >>
>> >> Swallows: One birder.
>> >>
>> >> Wrens: Many
>> >>
>> >> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>> >>
>> >> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire
>> >> the hard pair.
>> >>
>> >> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>> >>
>> >> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>> >>
>> >> Orioles: Many
>> >>
>> >> Blackbirds: Many
>> >>
>> >> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by
>> >> several
>> >> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>> >>
>> >> Tanagers: Many
>> >>
>> >> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue
>> >> Bunting,
>> >> Pyrrhuloxia...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>> >>
>> >> Paul Conover
>> >>
>> >> Lafayette
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> Nancy L Newfield
>> >> Casa Colibrí
>> >> Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> >> <nancy...>
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Nancy L Newfield
>> > Casa Colibrí
>> > Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> > <nancy...>
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Date: 10/6/25 8:39 am From: Rob Dobbs via groups.io <rcdobbs...> Subject: Re: [labird] CBC Dates
Lacassine-Thornwell CBC will be Sun. 12/14
White Lake CBC will be Tues. 12/16
Sweet Lake-Cam Prairie CBC will be Sat. 12/20
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 4:41 PM John Dillon via groups.io <kisforkryptonite=
<gmail.com...> wrote:
> CBC compilers,
>
> The deadline for information to be included in the LOS Winter Newsletter
> is 1 Nov. Please email your CBC dates to me and to Marty Floyd at
> <progne99...> and/or post them here.
>
> Thanks!
> John Dillon
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/5/25 6:20 pm From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: [labird] Cameron 5 October
Labird,
I hit the east and west sides of the Cameron coast today. Tides
were extremely high, so beach birds were a miss. Woods were fairly
steady, but not very diverse in species. Had my first Eastern Phoebe of
the cycle, and first day of multiple kinglets. There seemed to be pulses
of Brown Thrasher and White-eyed Vireo, but for the most part migrants
were a slow drip of species with drawn-out migration periods like
Northern Parula, Magnolia, and American Redstart. I had nine warbler
species for the day, including a really beautiful Bay-breasted at
Peveto. The weather was great with a good breeze, but I didn't notice
much in terms of hawk flight.
Ragweed was pretty potent and mosquitos were pretty insistent.
Trails at Peveto looked great; thank you, Charlotte!
Date: 10/5/25 6:48 am From: Toddy Guidry via groups.io <guidrys...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Hey Nan et al
I've had 8 species banded here in my South Lafayette yard and my neighbor Elaine Bourque has had 8 also, but we each have an 'exclusive'.
Between our 2 rural yards we have 9.
She has not had Anna's and I have not had Broad-Billed.
The latest from Milton.....
Toddy
-----Original Message-----
From: <labird...> <labird...> On Behalf Of Nancy L Newfield
Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2025 8:28 AM
To: Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
Cc: LABIRD <labird...>
Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Paul,
To my knowledge, going back some years, 2 people had hosted 9 hummer species . . . the late Ron Stein and the aged and infirm Gene Street of Reserve and LaPlace respectively. I've been stuck at 8 since 1995 and I have a lot of company at that total. The semi easy one that I am missing is Anna's of which I probably had one, but a super aggressive Rufous chased it away before I got a look. I heard it while sitting on the front porch, but it was gone before I could get a good look. And, because of demographic shifts in my neighborhood, chances of reprising Anna's or of getting any of the higher test species are minimal. I have not kept up with everyone's totals in recent years, so if anyone else has a total above
6 species, I'd like to start a new list.
Over the years, I have observed a total of 13 hummingbird species in Louisiana - still needing Lucifer - of which there is only 1 single kosher report.
My 47th winter banding season is just about to start and I plan to spend the next 2 weeks making up sufficient bands for a few years. I always keep a couple made for big boys such as Rivoli's and Blue-throated and will keep about 10 unmade in case of a rash of Mangos. My 16 year old "Colibrimobile"
is in good operating condition and it is kept with a full tank at all times.
If I recall correctly, in 1991, LOS sponsored a "Yard List Challenge" and there is no reason *not* to reprise that game. I've kept a yard list for
55 years, but given the changes in my area, there isn't much chance of adding . . . My last addition was a flyover Limpkin in 2024, so I think I will have a very long wait for a Flamingo or some storm-tossed seabird.
Shorebird-wise, I am missing both Siberian Sand-Plover [which I saw in Arizona in 2016] and Mountain Plover. Actually, Mountain Plover would be a lifer for me. I got Black-tailed Godwit in 1994, when Jim Holmes found one near Kaplan.
I got the Antillean Nighthawk in New Orleans 1977 and Band-tailed Pigeon in Zwolle in 1982. Great White Heron doesn't count, but I did see the one in New Orleans in 1981.
I plan to be in Louisiana continuously until mid January 2026, when I'll fly south for a few weeks. That should encourage all Louisiana listers to be especially vigilant during that period. Look at my absence as an invitation to bird hard and 1-up me.
Titanium Nan [honoring 1 of 2 recently installed body parts that keep me competitive]
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...> wrote:
Date: 10/5/25 6:34 am From: Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Oh, add Red-naped Saosucker to my list.
TN
On Sun, Oct 5, 2025 at 8:28 AM Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy=
<casacolibri.net...> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> To my knowledge, going back some years, 2 people had hosted 9 hummer
> species . . . the late Ron Stein and the aged and infirm Gene Street of
> Reserve and LaPlace respectively. I've been stuck at 8 since 1995 and I
> have a lot of company at that total. The semi easy one that I am missing
> is Anna's of which I probably had one, but a super aggressive Rufous chased
> it away before I got a look. I heard it while sitting on the front porch,
> but it was gone before I could get a good look. And, because of
> demographic shifts in my neighborhood, chances of reprising Anna's or of
> getting any of the higher test species are minimal. I have not kept up
> with everyone's totals in recent years, so if anyone else has a total above
> 6 species, I'd like to start a new list.
>
> Over the years, I have observed a total of 13 hummingbird species in
> Louisiana - still needing Lucifer - of which there is only 1 single kosher
> report.
>
> My 47th winter banding season is just about to start and I plan to spend
> the next 2 weeks making up sufficient bands for a few years. I always keep
> a couple made for big boys such as Rivoli's and Blue-throated and will keep
> about 10 unmade in case of a rash of Mangos. My 16 year old "Colibrimobile"
> is in good operating condition and it is kept with a full tank at all
> times.
>
> If I recall correctly, in 1991, LOS sponsored a "Yard List Challenge" and
> there is no reason *not* to reprise that game. I've kept a yard list for
> 55 years, but given the changes in my area, there isn't much chance of
> adding . . . My last addition was a flyover Limpkin in 2024, so I think I
> will have a very long wait for a Flamingo or some storm-tossed seabird.
>
> Shorebird-wise, I am missing both Siberian Sand-Plover [which I saw in
> Arizona in 2016] and Mountain Plover. Actually, Mountain Plover would be a
> lifer for me. I got Black-tailed Godwit in 1994, when Jim Holmes found one
> near Kaplan.
>
> I got the Antillean Nighthawk in New Orleans 1977 and Band-tailed Pigeon in
> Zwolle in 1982. Great White Heron doesn't count, but I did see the one in
> New Orleans in 1981.
>
> I plan to be in Louisiana continuously until mid January 2026, when I'll
> fly south for a few weeks. That should encourage all Louisiana listers to
> be especially vigilant during that period. Look at my absence as an
> invitation to bird hard and 1-up me.
>
> Titanium Nan [honoring 1 of 2 recently installed body parts that keep me
> competitive]
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
> wrote:
>
> > Nancy, Labird,
> >
> > Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it when you
> > filled in a page:)
> >
> > And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer card
> all
> > filled in!
> >
> > PEC
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
> >
> > Gee Paul,
> >
> > You surely are a trouble-maker!
> >
> > NLN
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
> > <lusfiber.net...> wrote:
> >
> >> Labird,
> >>
> >> In the days when field guides took eternities between editions and
> >> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the Golden
> >> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could check off
> >> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
> >> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
> >> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
> >> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages were
> >> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
> >>
> >> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've seen
> >> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
> >> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
> >> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will ever
> >> be able to complete a group list.
> >>
> >> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> >> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
> >> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
> >> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
> >>
> >> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
> >> being Brant.
> >>
> >> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
> >>
> >> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
> >> he had Red-necked.
> >>
> >> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only hard
> >> one.
> >>
> >> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
> >> hardest.
> >>
> >> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
> >> record.
> >>
> >> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
> >>
> >> Rails: Many
> >>
> >> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and Black-tailed
> >> Godwit also narrows the field.
> >>
> >> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it tough, and
> >> Kelp might be hard to get again.
> >>
> >> Terns: Several birders
> >>
> >> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
> >>
> >> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
> >> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
> >>
> >> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
> >>
> >> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
> >>
> >> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
> >> Zone-tailed Hawk.
> >>
> >> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
> >> would be a tough pair.
> >>
> >> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and Red-naped
> >> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
> >>
> >> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
> >>
> >> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
> >>
> >> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
> >>
> >> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> >> limiting species.
> >>
> >> Swallows: One birder.
> >>
> >> Wrens: Many
> >>
> >> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
> >>
> >> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the hard
> pair.
> >>
> >> Longspurs: Several, I think.
> >>
> >> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
> >>
> >> Orioles: Many
> >>
> >> Blackbirds: Many
> >>
> >> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
> >> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
> >>
> >> Tanagers: Many
> >>
> >> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
> >> Pyrrhuloxia...
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
> >>
> >> Paul Conover
> >>
> >> Lafayette
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Nancy L Newfield
> > Casa Colibrí
> > Metairie, Louisiana USA
> > <nancy...>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Nancy L Newfield
> Casa Colibrí
> Metairie, Louisiana USA
> <nancy...>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
<nancy...>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 10/5/25 6:28 am From: Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Paul,
To my knowledge, going back some years, 2 people had hosted 9 hummer
species . . . the late Ron Stein and the aged and infirm Gene Street of
Reserve and LaPlace respectively. I've been stuck at 8 since 1995 and I
have a lot of company at that total. The semi easy one that I am missing
is Anna's of which I probably had one, but a super aggressive Rufous chased
it away before I got a look. I heard it while sitting on the front porch,
but it was gone before I could get a good look. And, because of
demographic shifts in my neighborhood, chances of reprising Anna's or of
getting any of the higher test species are minimal. I have not kept up
with everyone's totals in recent years, so if anyone else has a total above
6 species, I'd like to start a new list.
Over the years, I have observed a total of 13 hummingbird species in
Louisiana - still needing Lucifer - of which there is only 1 single kosher
report.
My 47th winter banding season is just about to start and I plan to spend
the next 2 weeks making up sufficient bands for a few years. I always keep
a couple made for big boys such as Rivoli's and Blue-throated and will keep
about 10 unmade in case of a rash of Mangos. My 16 year old "Colibrimobile"
is in good operating condition and it is kept with a full tank at all
times.
If I recall correctly, in 1991, LOS sponsored a "Yard List Challenge" and
there is no reason *not* to reprise that game. I've kept a yard list for
55 years, but given the changes in my area, there isn't much chance of
adding . . . My last addition was a flyover Limpkin in 2024, so I think I
will have a very long wait for a Flamingo or some storm-tossed seabird.
Shorebird-wise, I am missing both Siberian Sand-Plover [which I saw in
Arizona in 2016] and Mountain Plover. Actually, Mountain Plover would be a
lifer for me. I got Black-tailed Godwit in 1994, when Jim Holmes found one
near Kaplan.
I got the Antillean Nighthawk in New Orleans 1977 and Band-tailed Pigeon in
Zwolle in 1982. Great White Heron doesn't count, but I did see the one in
New Orleans in 1981.
I plan to be in Louisiana continuously until mid January 2026, when I'll
fly south for a few weeks. That should encourage all Louisiana listers to
be especially vigilant during that period. Look at my absence as an
invitation to bird hard and 1-up me.
Titanium Nan [honoring 1 of 2 recently installed body parts that keep me
competitive]
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...> wrote:
> Nancy, Labird,
>
> Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it when you
> filled in a page:)
>
> And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer card all
> filled in!
>
> PEC
>
>
> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>
> Gee Paul,
>
> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>
> NLN
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
> <lusfiber.net...> wrote:
>
>> Labird,
>>
>> In the days when field guides took eternities between editions and
>> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the Golden
>> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could check off
>> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
>> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
>> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
>> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages were
>> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>>
>> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've seen
>> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
>> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
>> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will ever
>> be able to complete a group list.
>>
>> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
>> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
>> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>>
>> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
>> being Brant.
>>
>> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>>
>> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
>> he had Red-necked.
>>
>> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only hard
>> one.
>>
>> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
>> hardest.
>>
>> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
>> record.
>>
>> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>>
>> Rails: Many
>>
>> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and Black-tailed
>> Godwit also narrows the field.
>>
>> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it tough, and
>> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>>
>> Terns: Several birders
>>
>> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>>
>> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
>> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>>
>> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>>
>> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>>
>> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
>> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>>
>> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
>> would be a tough pair.
>>
>> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and Red-naped
>> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>>
>> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>>
>> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>>
>> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>>
>> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
>> limiting species.
>>
>> Swallows: One birder.
>>
>> Wrens: Many
>>
>> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>>
>> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the hard pair.
>>
>> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>>
>> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>>
>> Orioles: Many
>>
>> Blackbirds: Many
>>
>> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
>> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>>
>> Tanagers: Many
>>
>> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
>> Pyrrhuloxia...
>>
>>
>> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>>
>> Paul Conover
>>
>> Lafayette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Nancy L Newfield
> Casa Colibrí
> Metairie, Louisiana USA
> <nancy...>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
<nancy...>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 10/4/25 1:11 pm From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
David, labird,That's how it works, and now's a good time for it. PEC -------- Original message --------From: "David P. Muth" <muthdp...> Date: 10/4/25 2:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Paul Conover <zoiseaux...> Cc: LABIRD <labird...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups The challenge is for someone to find a one-day wonder Violet-green Swallow away from southwest Louisiana so that a certain person will no longer have run that table. David P. MuthOn Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 2:39 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> wrote:I guess there are a lot of ways to look at it, but all of them are good ways to pass the time when birds are on the mind but birding isn't on the table. Lord knows I'd love to look out the window and see a Lucifer's to fill in my state hummer card, but at the same time, I'd like to see any hummer species that would make #9 for the yard. I'm easy.
On 10/4/2025 2:28 PM, Nancy L Newfield wrote: > > Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of > every member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages > in the field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer > Hummingbird to my Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling > because the Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about > 20 years ago turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a > couple of dozen of them in West Texas. > > Titanium Nan > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...> > wrote: > > Nancy, Labird, > > Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it > when you filled in a page:) > > And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer > card all filled in! > > PEC > > > On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote: >> Gee Paul, >> >> You surely are a trouble-maker! >> >> NLN >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io >> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote: >> >> Labird, >> >> In the days when field guides took eternities between >> editions and >> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or >> the Golden >> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I >> could check off >> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or >> woodpeckers or >> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in >> celebrating >> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with >> other >> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our >> pages were >> misses in common or just personal nemeses. >> >> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds >> I've seen >> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each >> group that I >> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the >> table on >> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one >> will ever >> be able to complete a group list. >> >> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some >> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. >> Some >> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I >> also removed >> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of >> birders out. >> >> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting >> species >> being Brant. >> >> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch). >> >> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had >> them all, if >> he had Red-necked. >> >> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the >> only hard one. >> >> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo >> next hardest. >> >> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean >> Nighthawk >> record. >> >> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird. >> >> Rails: Many >> >> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and >> Black-tailed >> Godwit also narrows the field. >> >> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it >> tough, and >> Kelp might be hard to get again. >> >> Terns: Several birders >> >> Loons: Some; not sure how many. >> >> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and >> Cory's and >> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists. >> >> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one. >> >> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included). >> >> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise >> because of >> Zone-tailed Hawk. >> >> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and >> Flammulated >> would be a tough pair. >> >> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and >> Red-naped >> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed. >> >> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon. >> >> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones. >> >> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's. >> >> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the >> limiting species. >> >> Swallows: One birder. >> >> Wrens: Many >> >> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed. >> >> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire >> the hard pair. >> >> Longspurs: Several, I think. >> >> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's... >> >> Orioles: Many >> >> Blackbirds: Many >> >> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by >> several >> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed. >> >> Tanagers: Many >> >> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue >> Bunting, >> Pyrrhuloxia... >> >> >> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here? >> >> Paul Conover >> >> Lafayette >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Nancy L Newfield >> Casa Colibrí >> Metairie, Louisiana USA >> <nancy...> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Nancy L Newfield > Casa Colibrí > Metairie, Louisiana USA > <nancy...> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 10/4/25 12:47 pm From: David P. Muth via groups.io <muthdp...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
The challenge is for someone to find a one-day wonder Violet-green Swallow
away from southwest Louisiana so that a certain person will no longer have
run that table.
David P. Muth
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 2:39 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
<lusfiber.net...> wrote:
> I guess there are a lot of ways to look at it, but all of them are good
> ways to pass the time when birds are on the mind but birding isn't on
> the table. Lord knows I'd love to look out the window and see a
> Lucifer's to fill in my state hummer card, but at the same time, I'd
> like to see any hummer species that would make #9 for the yard. I'm easy.
>
>
> On 10/4/2025 2:28 PM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
> >
> > Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of
> > every member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages
> > in the field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer
> > Hummingbird to my Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling
> > because the Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about
> > 20 years ago turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a
> > couple of dozen of them in West Texas.
> >
> > Titanium Nan
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Nancy, Labird,
> >
> > Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it
> > when you filled in a page:)
> >
> > And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer
> > card all filled in!
> >
> > PEC
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
> >> Gee Paul,
> >>
> >> You surely are a trouble-maker!
> >>
> >> NLN
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io
> >> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Labird,
> >>
> >> In the days when field guides took eternities between
> >> editions and
> >> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or
> >> the Golden
> >> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I
> >> could check off
> >> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or
> >> woodpeckers or
> >> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in
> >> celebrating
> >> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with
> >> other
> >> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our
> >> pages were
> >> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
> >>
> >> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds
> >> I've seen
> >> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each
> >> group that I
> >> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the
> >> table on
> >> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one
> >> will ever
> >> be able to complete a group list.
> >>
> >> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> >> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all.
> >> Some
> >> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I
> >> also removed
> >> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of
> >> birders out.
> >>
> >> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting
> >> species
> >> being Brant.
> >>
> >> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
> >>
> >> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had
> >> them all, if
> >> he had Red-necked.
> >>
> >> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the
> >> only hard one.
> >>
> >> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo
> >> next hardest.
> >>
> >> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean
> >> Nighthawk
> >> record.
> >>
> >> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
> >>
> >> Rails: Many
> >>
> >> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
> >> Black-tailed
> >> Godwit also narrows the field.
> >>
> >> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
> >> tough, and
> >> Kelp might be hard to get again.
> >>
> >> Terns: Several birders
> >>
> >> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
> >>
> >> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and
> >> Cory's and
> >> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
> >>
> >> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
> >>
> >> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
> >>
> >> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise
> >> because of
> >> Zone-tailed Hawk.
> >>
> >> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and
> >> Flammulated
> >> would be a tough pair.
> >>
> >> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
> >> Red-naped
> >> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
> >>
> >> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
> >>
> >> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
> >>
> >> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
> >>
> >> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> >> limiting species.
> >>
> >> Swallows: One birder.
> >>
> >> Wrens: Many
> >>
> >> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
> >>
> >> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire
> >> the hard pair.
> >>
> >> Longspurs: Several, I think.
> >>
> >> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
> >>
> >> Orioles: Many
> >>
> >> Blackbirds: Many
> >>
> >> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by
> >> several
> >> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
> >>
> >> Tanagers: Many
> >>
> >> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue
> >> Bunting,
> >> Pyrrhuloxia...
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
> >>
> >> Paul Conover
> >>
> >> Lafayette
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Nancy L Newfield
> >> Casa Colibrí
> >> Metairie, Louisiana USA
> >> <nancy...>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Nancy L Newfield
> > Casa Colibrí
> > Metairie, Louisiana USA
> > <nancy...>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/4/25 12:39 pm From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
I guess there are a lot of ways to look at it, but all of them are good
ways to pass the time when birds are on the mind but birding isn't on
the table. Lord knows I'd love to look out the window and see a
Lucifer's to fill in my state hummer card, but at the same time, I'd
like to see any hummer species that would make #9 for the yard. I'm easy.
On 10/4/2025 2:28 PM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>
> Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of
> every member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages
> in the field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer
> Hummingbird to my Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling
> because the Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about
> 20 years ago turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a
> couple of dozen of them in West Texas.
>
> Titanium Nan
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
> wrote:
>
> Nancy, Labird,
>
> Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it
> when you filled in a page:)
>
> And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer
> card all filled in!
>
> PEC
>
>
> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> Gee Paul,
>>
>> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>>
>> NLN
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io
>> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>>
>> Labird,
>>
>> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>> editions and
>> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or
>> the Golden
>> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I
>> could check off
>> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or
>> woodpeckers or
>> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in
>> celebrating
>> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with
>> other
>> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our
>> pages were
>> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>>
>> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds
>> I've seen
>> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each
>> group that I
>> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the
>> table on
>> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one
>> will ever
>> be able to complete a group list.
>>
>> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all.
>> Some
>> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I
>> also removed
>> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of
>> birders out.
>>
>> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting
>> species
>> being Brant.
>>
>> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>>
>> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had
>> them all, if
>> he had Red-necked.
>>
>> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the
>> only hard one.
>>
>> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo
>> next hardest.
>>
>> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean
>> Nighthawk
>> record.
>>
>> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>>
>> Rails: Many
>>
>> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>> Black-tailed
>> Godwit also narrows the field.
>>
>> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>> tough, and
>> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>>
>> Terns: Several birders
>>
>> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>>
>> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and
>> Cory's and
>> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>>
>> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>>
>> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>>
>> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise
>> because of
>> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>>
>> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and
>> Flammulated
>> would be a tough pair.
>>
>> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>> Red-naped
>> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>>
>> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>>
>> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>>
>> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>>
>> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
>> limiting species.
>>
>> Swallows: One birder.
>>
>> Wrens: Many
>>
>> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>>
>> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire
>> the hard pair.
>>
>> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>>
>> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>>
>> Orioles: Many
>>
>> Blackbirds: Many
>>
>> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by
>> several
>> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>>
>> Tanagers: Many
>>
>> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue
>> Bunting,
>> Pyrrhuloxia...
>>
>>
>> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>>
>> Paul Conover
>>
>> Lafayette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Nancy L Newfield
>> Casa Colibrí
>> Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> <nancy...>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Nancy L Newfield
> Casa Colibrí
> Metairie, Louisiana USA
> <nancy...>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 10/4/25 12:31 pm From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Mac, Labird,
Dusky-capped is my last flycatcher domino, I think. I'm surprised
it hasn't turned up more than once, but it might be a domino that never
falls.
I'm really hoping the Plaquemines Cassin's returns this winter
and that you get it. Maybe you can find a Dusky-capped in the great
flycatcher wormhole of Diamond while you're at it and drive the
flycatcher Golden Spike.
PEC
On 10/4/2025 1:23 PM, Mac Myers wrote:
> Paul, not quite on the flycatchers. True enough on my nemesis Cassin's
> Kingbird. But I did not see the Dusky-capped. Curt Sorrells and I
> joined Terry Davis to look for it, and heard it several times but
> could never see it.
>
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> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:13 AM Paul Conover via groups.io
> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>
> Mac, Labird,
>
> True on the Saw-whet and the Eider, although the Grand Terre Eider was
> seen by quite a few. I'm so far away from a BINGO on the owls that
> many
> seem impossible for me.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, you're a Cassin's Kingbird away from seeing
> all the
> flycatchers. That would be an amazing feat.
>
>
> PEC
>
> Lafayette
>
>
> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Mac Myers wrote:
> > For owls, I'd add Northern Saw-whet in the tough category, but maybe
> > someday somebody will figure out a location where nocturnal
> taping and
> > netting can be at least occasionally successful. Also, in ducks,
> King
> > Eider is had by several, but that's a tough one to expect or hope to
> > get. As for grebes, I doubt that Lowery had Red-necked and Western.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io
> <http://groups.io> > > <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
> >
> > Labird,
> >
> > In the days when field guides took eternities between
> > editions and
> > birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the
> > Golden
> > Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could
> > check off
> > every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or
> woodpeckers or
> > whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in
> celebrating
> > these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with
> other
> > birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our
> pages
> > were
> > misses in common or just personal nemeses.
> >
> > Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of
> birds I've
> > seen
> > in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each
> group that I
> > realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running
> the table on
> > certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no
> one will
> > ever
> > be able to complete a group list.
> >
> > Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> > cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them
> all. Some
> > smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I
> also removed
> > extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of
> birders out.
> >
> > Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting
> species
> > being Brant.
> >
> > Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
> >
> > Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had
> them all, if
> > he had Red-necked.
> >
> > Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the
> only
> > hard one.
> >
> > Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove
> Cuckoo next
> > hardest.
> >
> > Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean
> Nighthawk
> > record.
> >
> > Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
> >
> > Rails: Many
> >
> > Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
> > Black-tailed
> > Godwit also narrows the field.
> >
> > Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
> > tough, and
> > Kelp might be hard to get again.
> >
> > Terns: Several birders
> >
> > Loons: Some; not sure how many.
> >
> > Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and
> Cory's and
> > Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
> >
> > Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
> >
> > Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
> >
> > Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise
> because of
> > Zone-tailed Hawk.
> >
> > Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and
> Flammulated
> > would be a tough pair.
> >
> > Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
> > Red-naped
> > sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
> >
> > Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
> >
> > Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
> >
> > Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
> >
> > Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> > limiting species.
> >
> > Swallows: One birder.
> >
> > Wrens: Many
> >
> > Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
> >
> > Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the
> > hard pair.
> >
> > Longspurs: Several, I think.
> >
> > Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
> >
> > Orioles: Many
> >
> > Blackbirds: Many
> >
> > Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by
> several
> > other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
> >
> > Tanagers: Many
> >
> > Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue
> Bunting,
> > Pyrrhuloxia...
> >
> >
> > Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
> >
> > Paul Conover
> >
> > Lafayette
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/4/25 12:29 pm From: Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of every
member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages in the
field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer Hummingbird to my
Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling because the
Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about 20 years ago
turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a couple of dozen of
them in West Texas.
Titanium Nan
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover <zoiseaux...> wrote:
> Nancy, Labird,
>
> Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it when you
> filled in a page:)
>
> And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer card all
> filled in!
>
> PEC
>
>
> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>
> Gee Paul,
>
> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>
> NLN
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
> <lusfiber.net...> wrote:
>
>> Labird,
>>
>> In the days when field guides took eternities between editions and
>> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the Golden
>> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could check off
>> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
>> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
>> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
>> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages were
>> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>>
>> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've seen
>> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
>> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
>> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will ever
>> be able to complete a group list.
>>
>> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
>> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
>> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>>
>> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
>> being Brant.
>>
>> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>>
>> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
>> he had Red-necked.
>>
>> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only hard
>> one.
>>
>> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
>> hardest.
>>
>> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
>> record.
>>
>> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>>
>> Rails: Many
>>
>> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and Black-tailed
>> Godwit also narrows the field.
>>
>> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it tough, and
>> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>>
>> Terns: Several birders
>>
>> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>>
>> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
>> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>>
>> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>>
>> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>>
>> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
>> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>>
>> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
>> would be a tough pair.
>>
>> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and Red-naped
>> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>>
>> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>>
>> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>>
>> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>>
>> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
>> limiting species.
>>
>> Swallows: One birder.
>>
>> Wrens: Many
>>
>> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>>
>> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the hard pair.
>>
>> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>>
>> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>>
>> Orioles: Many
>>
>> Blackbirds: Many
>>
>> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
>> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>>
>> Tanagers: Many
>>
>> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
>> Pyrrhuloxia...
>>
>>
>> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>>
>> Paul Conover
>>
>> Lafayette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Nancy L Newfield
> Casa Colibrí
> Metairie, Louisiana USA
> <nancy...>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
<nancy...>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 10/4/25 12:16 pm From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
John, Labird,
For finches, it was basically a matter of convenience because I
would have had to explain whether I meant the little reddish ones or the
whole group, but I shouldn't have been so lazy. By whichever metric,
Cassin's is the breaking point. Likewise for small groups like swifts
and pipits, I skipped them because they're more or less a gimme.
Long-eared is rare, but some were chaseable, so a fairly good
number of birders saw them versus Snowy and Co.
PEC
On 10/4/2025 11:45 AM, John Dillon wrote:
> I’d also through in Long-eared Owl. According to LBRC website, there
> are only 11 accepted reports, 10 of which were from 1981-2011 and none
> since.
>
> And, Paul, I think you left out finches as a group. I don’t know if
> anyone would have all the ones that have been reported in LA. Evening
> Grosbeak (which I do have from the 1980s), Cassin’s (one record), Red
> Crossbill (1 record), Lesser Goldfinch, plus the common ones.
>
> Do Chimney Swift and Vaux’s Swift make a group??
>
> JD
>
>
>> On Oct 4, 2025, at 10:13 AM, Paul Conover via groups.io
>> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>>
>> Mac, Labird,
>>
>> True on the Saw-whet and the Eider, although the Grand Terre Eider was
>> seen by quite a few. I'm so far away from a BINGO on the owls that many
>> seem impossible for me.
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, you're a Cassin's Kingbird away from seeing all the
>> flycatchers. That would be an amazing feat.
>>
>>
>> PEC
>>
>> Lafayette
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Mac Myers wrote:
>>> For owls, I'd add Northern Saw-whet in the tough category, but maybe
>>> someday somebody will figure out a location where nocturnal taping and
>>> netting can be at least occasionally successful. Also, in ducks, King
>>> Eider is had by several, but that's a tough one to expect or hope to
>>> get. As for grebes, I doubt that Lowery had Red-necked and Western.
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover viagroups.io
>>> <http://groups.io/> >>> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Labird,
>>>
>>> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>>> editions and
>>> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the
>>> Golden
>>> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could
>>> check off
>>> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
>>> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
>>> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
>>> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages
>>> were
>>> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>>>
>>> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've
>>> seen
>>> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
>>> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the
>>> table on
>>> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will
>>> ever
>>> be able to complete a group list.
>>>
>>> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>>> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
>>> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also
>>> removed
>>> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>>>
>>> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
>>> being Brant.
>>>
>>> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>>>
>>> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them
>>> all, if
>>> he had Red-necked.
>>>
>>> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only
>>> hard one.
>>>
>>> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
>>> hardest.
>>>
>>> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
>>> record.
>>>
>>> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>>>
>>> Rails: Many
>>>
>>> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>>> Black-tailed
>>> Godwit also narrows the field.
>>>
>>> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>>> tough, and
>>> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>>>
>>> Terns: Several birders
>>>
>>> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>>>
>>> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
>>> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>>>
>>> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>>>
>>> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>>>
>>> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
>>> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>>>
>>> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
>>> would be a tough pair.
>>>
>>> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>>> Red-naped
>>> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>>>
>>> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>>>
>>> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>>>
>>> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>>>
>>> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
>>> limiting species.
>>>
>>> Swallows: One birder.
>>>
>>> Wrens: Many
>>>
>>> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>>>
>>> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the
>>> hard pair.
>>>
>>> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>>>
>>> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>>>
>>> Orioles: Many
>>>
>>> Blackbirds: Many
>>>
>>> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
>>> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>>>
>>> Tanagers: Many
>>>
>>> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
>>> Pyrrhuloxia...
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>>>
>>> Paul Conover
>>>
>>> Lafayette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Date: 10/4/25 11:23 am From: Mac Myers via groups.io <budogmacm...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Paul, not quite on the flycatchers. True enough on my nemesis Cassin's
Kingbird. But I did not see the Dusky-capped. Curt Sorrells and I joined
Terry Davis to look for it, and heard it several times but could never see
it.
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:13 AM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
<lusfiber.net...> wrote:
> Mac, Labird,
>
> True on the Saw-whet and the Eider, although the Grand Terre Eider was
> seen by quite a few. I'm so far away from a BINGO on the owls that many
> seem impossible for me.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, you're a Cassin's Kingbird away from seeing all the
> flycatchers. That would be an amazing feat.
>
>
> PEC
>
> Lafayette
>
>
> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Mac Myers wrote:
> > For owls, I'd add Northern Saw-whet in the tough category, but maybe
> > someday somebody will figure out a location where nocturnal taping and
> > netting can be at least occasionally successful. Also, in ducks, King
> > Eider is had by several, but that's a tough one to expect or hope to
> > get. As for grebes, I doubt that Lowery had Red-necked and Western.
> >
> > <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > >
> > Virus-free.www.avast.com
> > <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io
> > <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
> >
> > Labird,
> >
> > In the days when field guides took eternities between
> > editions and
> > birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the
> > Golden
> > Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could
> > check off
> > every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
> > whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
> > these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
> > birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages
> > were
> > misses in common or just personal nemeses.
> >
> > Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've
> > seen
> > in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
> > realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table
> on
> > certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will
> > ever
> > be able to complete a group list.
> >
> > Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> > cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
> > smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also
> removed
> > extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
> >
> > Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
> > being Brant.
> >
> > Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
> >
> > Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all,
> if
> > he had Red-necked.
> >
> > Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only
> > hard one.
> >
> > Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
> > hardest.
> >
> > Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
> > record.
> >
> > Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
> >
> > Rails: Many
> >
> > Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
> > Black-tailed
> > Godwit also narrows the field.
> >
> > Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
> > tough, and
> > Kelp might be hard to get again.
> >
> > Terns: Several birders
> >
> > Loons: Some; not sure how many.
> >
> > Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
> > Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
> >
> > Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
> >
> > Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
> >
> > Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
> > Zone-tailed Hawk.
> >
> > Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
> > would be a tough pair.
> >
> > Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
> > Red-naped
> > sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
> >
> > Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
> >
> > Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
> >
> > Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
> >
> > Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> > limiting species.
> >
> > Swallows: One birder.
> >
> > Wrens: Many
> >
> > Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
> >
> > Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the
> > hard pair.
> >
> > Longspurs: Several, I think.
> >
> > Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
> >
> > Orioles: Many
> >
> > Blackbirds: Many
> >
> > Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
> > other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
> >
> > Tanagers: Many
> >
> > Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
> > Pyrrhuloxia...
> >
> >
> > Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
> >
> > Paul Conover
> >
> > Lafayette
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/4/25 10:09 am From: Steven W. Cardiff via groups.io <scardif...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
There's more than one record for Red Crossbill. Only one "recent," but
there are some older records including specimens:
*RED CROSSBILL (Loxia curvirostra)*
*CASUAL WINTER VISITOR*.
*Four records*:
--27 Jan-at least 2 Feb 1973, several flocks totaling about 80 individuals
(including 3 specimens taken 2 Feb) a few miles N of Cross Lake,
Shreveport, *Caddo* (JRS-LSUMZ 73352, 73353, 73354, RJN)
--20 Mar 1973, 3 at 4 mi. N of Monroe, *Ouachita* (DTK)
--22 Mar 1973, 2 (including specimen) at 4 mi. NE of Swartz, *Ouachita*
(DTK-LSUMZ 73702)
--27 Mar 1888, 2 specimens from near Mandeville ()
Steve Cardiff
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 9:45 AM John Dillon via groups.io <kisforkryptonite=
<gmail.com...> wrote:
> I’d also through in Long-eared Owl. According to LBRC website, there are
> only 11 accepted reports, 10 of which were from 1981-2011 and none since.
>
> And, Paul, I think you left out finches as a group. I don’t know if
> anyone would have all the ones that have been reported in LA. Evening
> Grosbeak (which I do have from the 1980s), Cassin’s (one record), Red
> Crossbill (1 record), Lesser Goldfinch, plus the common ones.
>
> Do Chimney Swift and Vaux’s Swift make a group??
>
> JD
>
>
Date: 10/4/25 10:02 am From: Ken Hackman via groups.io <khackman...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
As for the Northern Saw-whet Owls, I understand that they were quite frequently netted by Bob Sargent in the Trussville, Alabama area. While I have no documentation to support this, if I am indeed recalling correctly, there should be some records to substantiate my comments.
Ken Hackman
Madison, MS
> On Oct 4, 2025, at 11:45 AM, John Dillon via groups.io <kisforkryptonite...> wrote:
>
> I’d also through in Long-eared Owl. According to LBRC website, there are only 11 accepted reports, 10 of which were from 1981-2011 and none since.
>
> And, Paul, I think you left out finches as a group. I don’t know if anyone would have all the ones that have been reported in LA. Evening Grosbeak (which I do have from the 1980s), Cassin’s (one record), Red Crossbill (1 record), Lesser Goldfinch, plus the common ones.
>
> Do Chimney Swift and Vaux’s Swift make a group??
>
> JD
>
>
>> On Oct 4, 2025, at 10:13 AM, Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>>
>> Mac, Labird,
>>
>> True on the Saw-whet and the Eider, although the Grand Terre Eider was
>> seen by quite a few. I'm so far away from a BINGO on the owls that many
>> seem impossible for me.
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, you're a Cassin's Kingbird away from seeing all the
>> flycatchers. That would be an amazing feat.
>>
>>
>> PEC
>>
>> Lafayette
>>
>>
>>> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Mac Myers wrote:
>>> For owls, I'd add Northern Saw-whet in the tough category, but maybe
>>> someday somebody will figure out a location where nocturnal taping and
>>> netting can be at least occasionally successful. Also, in ducks, King
>>> Eider is had by several, but that's a tough one to expect or hope to
>>> get. As for grebes, I doubt that Lowery had Red-necked and Western.
>>>
>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>> Virus-free.www.avast.com
>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <http://groups.io/> >>> <http://groups.io <http://groups.io/>> <zoiseaux...> <mailto:<zoiseaux...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Labird,
>>>
>>> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>>> editions and
>>> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the
>>> Golden
>>> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could
>>> check off
>>> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
>>> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
>>> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
>>> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages
>>> were
>>> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>>>
>>> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've
>>> seen
>>> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
>>> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
>>> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will
>>> ever
>>> be able to complete a group list.
>>>
>>> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>>> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
>>> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
>>> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>>>
>>> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
>>> being Brant.
>>>
>>> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>>>
>>> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
>>> he had Red-necked.
>>>
>>> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only
>>> hard one.
>>>
>>> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
>>> hardest.
>>>
>>> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
>>> record.
>>>
>>> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>>>
>>> Rails: Many
>>>
>>> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>>> Black-tailed
>>> Godwit also narrows the field.
>>>
>>> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>>> tough, and
>>> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>>>
>>> Terns: Several birders
>>>
>>> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>>>
>>> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
>>> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>>>
>>> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>>>
>>> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>>>
>>> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
>>> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>>>
>>> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
>>> would be a tough pair.
>>>
>>> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>>> Red-naped
>>> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>>>
>>> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>>>
>>> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>>>
>>> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>>>
>>> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
>>> limiting species.
>>>
>>> Swallows: One birder.
>>>
>>> Wrens: Many
>>>
>>> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>>>
>>> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the
>>> hard pair.
>>>
>>> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>>>
>>> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>>>
>>> Orioles: Many
>>>
>>> Blackbirds: Many
>>>
>>> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
>>> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>>>
>>> Tanagers: Many
>>>
>>> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
>>> Pyrrhuloxia...
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>>>
>>> Paul Conover
>>>
>>> Lafayette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/4/25 9:45 am From: John Dillon via groups.io <kisforkryptonite...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
I’d also through in Long-eared Owl. According to LBRC website, there are only 11 accepted reports, 10 of which were from 1981-2011 and none since.
And, Paul, I think you left out finches as a group. I don’t know if anyone would have all the ones that have been reported in LA. Evening Grosbeak (which I do have from the 1980s), Cassin’s (one record), Red Crossbill (1 record), Lesser Goldfinch, plus the common ones.
Do Chimney Swift and Vaux’s Swift make a group??
JD
> On Oct 4, 2025, at 10:13 AM, Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>
> Mac, Labird,
>
> True on the Saw-whet and the Eider, although the Grand Terre Eider was
> seen by quite a few. I'm so far away from a BINGO on the owls that many
> seem impossible for me.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, you're a Cassin's Kingbird away from seeing all the
> flycatchers. That would be an amazing feat.
>
>
> PEC
>
> Lafayette
>
>
> On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Mac Myers wrote:
>> For owls, I'd add Northern Saw-whet in the tough category, but maybe
>> someday somebody will figure out a location where nocturnal taping and
>> netting can be at least occasionally successful. Also, in ducks, King
>> Eider is had by several, but that's a tough one to expect or hope to
>> get. As for grebes, I doubt that Lowery had Red-necked and Western.
>>
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> Virus-free.www.avast.com
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <http://groups.io/> >> <http://groups.io <http://groups.io/>> <zoiseaux...> <mailto:<zoiseaux...>> wrote:
>>
>> Labird,
>>
>> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>> editions and
>> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the
>> Golden
>> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could
>> check off
>> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
>> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
>> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
>> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages
>> were
>> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>>
>> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've
>> seen
>> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
>> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
>> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will
>> ever
>> be able to complete a group list.
>>
>> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
>> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
>> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>>
>> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
>> being Brant.
>>
>> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>>
>> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
>> he had Red-necked.
>>
>> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only
>> hard one.
>>
>> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
>> hardest.
>>
>> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
>> record.
>>
>> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>>
>> Rails: Many
>>
>> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>> Black-tailed
>> Godwit also narrows the field.
>>
>> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>> tough, and
>> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>>
>> Terns: Several birders
>>
>> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>>
>> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
>> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>>
>> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>>
>> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>>
>> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
>> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>>
>> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
>> would be a tough pair.
>>
>> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>> Red-naped
>> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>>
>> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>>
>> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>>
>> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>>
>> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
>> limiting species.
>>
>> Swallows: One birder.
>>
>> Wrens: Many
>>
>> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>>
>> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the
>> hard pair.
>>
>> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>>
>> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>>
>> Orioles: Many
>>
>> Blackbirds: Many
>>
>> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
>> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>>
>> Tanagers: Many
>>
>> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
>> Pyrrhuloxia...
>>
>>
>> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>>
>> Paul Conover
>>
>> Lafayette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Date: 10/4/25 8:13 am From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Mac, Labird,
True on the Saw-whet and the Eider, although the Grand Terre Eider was
seen by quite a few. I'm so far away from a BINGO on the owls that many
seem impossible for me.
If I'm not mistaken, you're a Cassin's Kingbird away from seeing all the
flycatchers. That would be an amazing feat.
PEC
Lafayette
On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Mac Myers wrote:
> For owls, I'd add Northern Saw-whet in the tough category, but maybe
> someday somebody will figure out a location where nocturnal taping and
> netting can be at least occasionally successful. Also, in ducks, King
> Eider is had by several, but that's a tough one to expect or hope to
> get. As for grebes, I doubt that Lowery had Red-necked and Western.
>
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> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io
> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>
> Labird,
>
> In the days when field guides took eternities between
> editions and
> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the
> Golden
> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could
> check off
> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages
> were
> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>
> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've
> seen
> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will
> ever
> be able to complete a group list.
>
> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>
> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
> being Brant.
>
> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>
> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
> he had Red-necked.
>
> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only
> hard one.
>
> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
> hardest.
>
> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
> record.
>
> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>
> Rails: Many
>
> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
> Black-tailed
> Godwit also narrows the field.
>
> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
> tough, and
> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>
> Terns: Several birders
>
> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>
> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>
> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>
> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>
> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>
> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
> would be a tough pair.
>
> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
> Red-naped
> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>
> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>
> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>
> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>
> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> limiting species.
>
> Swallows: One birder.
>
> Wrens: Many
>
> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>
> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the
> hard pair.
>
> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>
> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>
> Orioles: Many
>
> Blackbirds: Many
>
> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>
> Tanagers: Many
>
> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
> Pyrrhuloxia...
>
>
> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>
> Paul Conover
>
> Lafayette
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/4/25 8:07 am From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Nancy, Labird,
Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it when
you filled in a page:)
And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer card
all filled in!
PEC
On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
> Gee Paul,
>
> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>
> NLN
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io
> <http://groups.io> <zoiseaux...> wrote:
>
> Labird,
>
> In the days when field guides took eternities between
> editions and
> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the
> Golden
> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could
> check off
> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages
> were
> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>
> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've
> seen
> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will
> ever
> be able to complete a group list.
>
> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>
> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
> being Brant.
>
> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>
> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
> he had Red-necked.
>
> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only
> hard one.
>
> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next
> hardest.
>
> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
> record.
>
> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>
> Rails: Many
>
> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
> Black-tailed
> Godwit also narrows the field.
>
> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
> tough, and
> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>
> Terns: Several birders
>
> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>
> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>
> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>
> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>
> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>
> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
> would be a tough pair.
>
> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
> Red-naped
> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>
> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>
> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>
> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>
> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> limiting species.
>
> Swallows: One birder.
>
> Wrens: Many
>
> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>
> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the
> hard pair.
>
> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>
> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>
> Orioles: Many
>
> Blackbirds: Many
>
> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>
> Tanagers: Many
>
> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
> Pyrrhuloxia...
>
>
> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>
> Paul Conover
>
> Lafayette
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Nancy L Newfield
> Casa Colibrí
> Metairie, Louisiana USA
> <nancy...>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 10/4/25 7:42 am From: Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Gee Paul,
You surely are a trouble-maker!
NLN
On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
<lusfiber.net...> wrote:
> Labird,
>
> In the days when field guides took eternities between editions and
> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the Golden
> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could check off
> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages were
> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>
> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've seen
> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will ever
> be able to complete a group list.
>
> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>
> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
> being Brant.
>
> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>
> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
> he had Red-necked.
>
> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only hard one.
>
> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next hardest.
>
> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
> record.
>
> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>
> Rails: Many
>
> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and Black-tailed
> Godwit also narrows the field.
>
> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it tough, and
> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>
> Terns: Several birders
>
> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>
> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>
> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>
> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>
> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>
> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
> would be a tough pair.
>
> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and Red-naped
> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>
> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>
> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>
> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>
> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> limiting species.
>
> Swallows: One birder.
>
> Wrens: Many
>
> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>
> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the hard pair.
>
> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>
> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>
> Orioles: Many
>
> Blackbirds: Many
>
> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>
> Tanagers: Many
>
> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
> Pyrrhuloxia...
>
>
> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>
> Paul Conover
>
> Lafayette
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
<nancy...>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 10/4/25 7:41 am From: Mac Myers via groups.io <budogmacm...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
For owls, I'd add Northern Saw-whet in the tough category, but maybe
someday somebody will figure out a location where nocturnal taping and
netting can be at least occasionally successful. Also, in ducks, King Eider
is had by several, but that's a tough one to expect or hope to get. As for
grebes, I doubt that Lowery had Red-necked and Western.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
<lusfiber.net...> wrote:
> Labird,
>
> In the days when field guides took eternities between editions and
> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the Golden
> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could check off
> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages were
> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>
> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've seen
> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will ever
> be able to complete a group list.
>
> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
>
> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
> being Brant.
>
> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>
> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
> he had Red-necked.
>
> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only hard one.
>
> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next hardest.
>
> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
> record.
>
> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>
> Rails: Many
>
> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and Black-tailed
> Godwit also narrows the field.
>
> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it tough, and
> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>
> Terns: Several birders
>
> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>
> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>
> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>
> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>
> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>
> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
> would be a tough pair.
>
> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and Red-naped
> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>
> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>
> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>
> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>
> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
> limiting species.
>
> Swallows: One birder.
>
> Wrens: Many
>
> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>
> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the hard pair.
>
> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>
> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>
> Orioles: Many
>
> Blackbirds: Many
>
> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>
> Tanagers: Many
>
> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
> Pyrrhuloxia...
>
>
> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>
> Paul Conover
>
> Lafayette
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 10/3/25 7:36 pm From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: [labird] Listing Groups
Labird,
In the days when field guides took eternities between editions and
birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or the Golden
Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I could check off
every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or woodpeckers or
whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in celebrating
these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with other
birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our pages were
misses in common or just personal nemeses.
Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds I've seen
in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each group that I
realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the table on
certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one will ever
be able to complete a group list.
Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all. Some
smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I also removed
extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of birders out.
Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting species
being Brant.
Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had them all, if
he had Red-necked.
Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the only hard one.
Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo next hardest.
Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean Nighthawk
record.
Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
Rails: Many
Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and Black-tailed
Godwit also narrows the field.
Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it tough, and
Kelp might be hard to get again.
Terns: Several birders
Loons: Some; not sure how many.
Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and Cory's and
Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise because of
Zone-tailed Hawk.
Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and Flammulated
would be a tough pair.
Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and Red-naped
sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven the
limiting species.
Swallows: One birder.
Wrens: Many
Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire the hard pair.
Longspurs: Several, I think.
Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
Orioles: Many
Blackbirds: Many
Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by several
other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
Tanagers: Many
Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue Bunting,
Pyrrhuloxia...
Date: 10/2/25 8:38 am From: Jay V Huner via groups.io <jay.huner1...> Subject: Re: [labird] Finally good migrant day
Seems to me that 36 species is a good list for most areas!
Jay
________________________________
From: <labird...> <labird...> on behalf of Charles Williams via groups.io <chazbizz91...>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2025 9:17 AM
To: <cassowary43...> <cassowary43...>
Cc: <Debra.b...> <Debra.b...>; Nancy L Newfield <nancy...>; Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>; LABIRD list <labird...>
Subject: Re: [labird] Finally good migrant day
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Birding was a little slow yesterday at the Greenwell Springs hospital site
but we did scratch up 36 species that included black-throated green
warbler, magnolia warbler, redstarts, a sapsucker, and the site regulars
wild turkey, red-headed woodpecker, and brown-headed nuthatch. (The
turkeys were by game cam when we were looking the other way.)
Charles W
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 3:14 PM Erik Johnson via groups.io <cassowary43=
<gmail.com...> wrote:
> LAbird, the front brought a bit of above average birding for my place
> yesterday. Ruby-throated Hummingbirds largely cleared out with the front on
> Friday, but a few warblers and earlish Eastern Phoebe, Yellow-bellied
> Sapsucker, and Red-breasted Nuthatch were welcomed signs of...dare I
> say...winter. Also a big jump in flyover Indigo Buntings, a few
> Dickcissels, and a Merlin.
>
> Erik Johnson
> Sunset, St. Landry Parish, LA
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 9/29/25 11:19 am From: Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy...> Subject: Re: [labird] Maybe a banded LA hummer
Joe,
Not mine for sure . . . I band on the left leg and last Saturday, September
20, the only time I've banded since early March, we used a pink color
mark. Kind of looks like an old mark. And, we banded in Covington. We
had media coverage via the ABC network [excluding Baton Rouge] that will be
aired tomorrow at 0900 and 2100.
Titanium Nan
On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 12:59 PM Joseph Kennedy via groups.io <jkennedy366=
<comcast.net...> wrote:
> At the smith point hawk watch tower on Sunday September 28
>
> https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/175841018 >
> Once upon a time the whiteout on the head would say Metairie when combined
> with a band.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
<nancy...>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: 9/28/25 2:17 pm From: Charles Williams via groups.io <chazbizz91...> Subject: Re: [labird] Finally good migrant day
Birding was a little slow yesterday at the Greenwell Springs hospital site but we did scratch up 36 species that included black-throated green warbler, magnolia warbler, redstarts, a sapsucker, and the site regulars wild turkey, red-headed woodpecker, and brown-headed nuthatch. (The turkeys were by game cam when we were looking the other way.)
Charles W
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025, 3:14 PM Erik Johnson via groups.io <cassowary43= <gmail.com...> wrote:
> LAbird, the front brought a bit of above average birding for my place > yesterday. Ruby-throated Hummingbirds largely cleared out with the front on > Friday, but a few warblers and earlish Eastern Phoebe, Yellow-bellied > Sapsucker, and Red-breasted Nuthatch were welcomed signs of...dare I > say...winter. Also a big jump in flyover Indigo Buntings, a few > Dickcissels, and a Merlin. > > Erik Johnson > Sunset, St. Landry Parish, LA > > > > > >
Date: 9/28/25 1:14 pm From: Erik Johnson via groups.io <cassowary43...> Subject: Re: [labird] Finally good migrant day
LAbird, the front brought a bit of above average birding for my place yesterday. Ruby-throated Hummingbirds largely cleared out with the front on Friday, but a few warblers and earlish Eastern Phoebe, Yellow-bellied Sapsucker, and Red-breasted Nuthatch were welcomed signs of...dare I say...winter. Also a big jump in flyover Indigo Buntings, a few Dickcissels, and a Merlin.
Date: 9/28/25 10:19 am From: Debra Babin via groups.io <Debra.b...> Subject: Re: [labird] Finally good migrant day
Fri/Sat/Sun,
3 Rubythroated Hummingbird (here for a week or two)
1 unidentified Warbler with yellow throat & possible white/yellow eye arc (yesterday)
1 Gray Catbird (this morning)
🤷🏻♀️
—Debra B Canatella
(Baton Rouge)
On Sep 28, 2025, at 10:05 AM, Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy...> wrote:
Speak for yourself or at least your area. Monday and yesterday were good
here at my place, but it is really quiet here today. I've observed 1 too
elusive warbler and 2 hummers, one of which was a Ruby-throated and the
second one could be another species, but it has managed to stay between my
binocular and the sun.
*Titanium Nan*
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 9:27 AM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
<lusfiber.net...> wrote:
> Labird, A good morning in my backyard that I'm sure is being echoed
> across the area. Migrants so far have been: multiple Gray Catbird,
> Red-eyed Vireo (1) plucking peppervine fruit, White-eyed Vireo, and very
> welcome warblers Nashville (2), American Redstart (2), Common Yellowthroat,
> and Black- and-white. Add to that a scrum of hummers including two Rufous,
> and the locals including a large family of chickadees, and it's been really
> active.Paul Conover Lafayette
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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
<nancy...>
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Date: 9/28/25 8:05 am From: Nancy L Newfield via groups.io <nancy...> Subject: Re: [labird] Finally good migrant day
Speak for yourself or at least your area. Monday and yesterday were good
here at my place, but it is really quiet here today. I've observed 1 too
elusive warbler and 2 hummers, one of which was a Ruby-throated and the
second one could be another species, but it has managed to stay between my
binocular and the sun.
*Titanium Nan*
On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 9:27 AM Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux=
<lusfiber.net...> wrote:
> Labird, A good morning in my backyard that I'm sure is being echoed
> across the area. Migrants so far have been: multiple Gray Catbird,
> Red-eyed Vireo (1) plucking peppervine fruit, White-eyed Vireo, and very
> welcome warblers Nashville (2), American Redstart (2), Common Yellowthroat,
> and Black- and-white. Add to that a scrum of hummers including two Rufous,
> and the locals including a large family of chickadees, and it's been really
> active.Paul Conover Lafayette
>
>
>
>
>
--
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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
<nancy...>
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Date: 9/28/25 7:27 am From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: [labird] Finally good migrant day
Labird, A good morning in my backyard that I'm sure is being echoed across the area. Migrants so far have been: multiple Gray Catbird, Red-eyed Vireo (1) plucking peppervine fruit, White-eyed Vireo, and very welcome warblers Nashville (2), American Redstart (2), Common Yellowthroat, and Black- and-white. Add to that a scrum of hummers including two Rufous, and the locals including a large family of chickadees, and it's been really active.Paul Conover Lafayette
Upcoming programs: Oct 29 - Jane Patterson - using Merlin & eBird (for beginners) Nov 12 - Dave Patton - History of Peveto Woods sanctuary Dec 10 - annual potluck & Birding Down Under by Katherine Gividen and Jane Patterson Jan 28 - David Muth - 50 Years of Louisiana Birding Feb - TBD March 25 - Dennis Demcheck - All About Hummingbirds April 29 - Frank Rinkevich - The Birds and The Bees
We *really* need someone to take over as Program Coordinator from Katie Percy (now acting as our VP). We collectively work on booking speakers but we need someone to announce programs, be at the library to help with tech set up, introduce speakers, and upload recordings to YouTube. Not an onerous job but an important one. And due to workload on other board members, this is not something that others can absorb...which means we may not be able to continue to have in person programs if we can't find a coordinator.
Date: 9/25/25 9:25 am From: glenn ousset via groups.io <gousset...> Subject: Re: [labird] CBC Dates
The New Orleans CBC will be on Sunday, December 28, 2025
Contact: Glenn Ousset, Compiler,
<gousset...>
985-353-3412
> On Sep 24, 2025, at 8:29 PM, Erik Johnson via groups.io <cassowary43...> wrote:
>
> The New Iberia CBC will be on December 21. Please contact me and Susan
> Hester Edmunds (susanhesteredmunds AT yahoo DOT com) to express interest in
> joining.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik Johnson
> Sunset, LA
> cassowary43 AT gmail DOT com
>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 4:41 PM John Dillon via groups.io <kisforkryptonite=
>> <gmail.com...> wrote:
>>
>> CBC compilers,
>>
>> The deadline for information to be included in the LOS Winter Newsletter
>> is 1 Nov. Please email your CBC dates to me and to Marty Floyd at
>> <progne99...> and/or post them here.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> John Dillon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
>
Date: 9/24/25 6:29 pm From: Erik Johnson via groups.io <cassowary43...> Subject: Re: [labird] CBC Dates
The New Iberia CBC will be on December 21. Please contact me and Susan
Hester Edmunds (susanhesteredmunds AT yahoo DOT com) to express interest in
joining.
Thanks,
Erik Johnson
Sunset, LA
cassowary43 AT gmail DOT com
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 4:41 PM John Dillon via groups.io <kisforkryptonite=
<gmail.com...> wrote:
> CBC compilers,
>
> The deadline for information to be included in the LOS Winter Newsletter
> is 1 Nov. Please email your CBC dates to me and to Marty Floyd at
> <progne99...> and/or post them here.
>
> Thanks!
> John Dillon
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 9/24/25 2:41 pm From: John Dillon via groups.io <kisforkryptonite...> Subject: [labird] CBC Dates
CBC compilers,
The deadline for information to be included in the LOS Winter Newsletter is 1 Nov. Please email your CBC dates to me and to Marty Floyd at <progne99...> and/or post them here.
Date: 9/23/25 3:15 pm From: Sandra Barbier via groups.io <sandabar10...> Subject: Re: [labird] Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls on Saturday's Venice pelagic trip
Thanks. The Sabine's Gulls are indeed beautiful and the pictures were
great. I have a lasting memory of a photo of an oiled gannet in the water
beside the hull of a ship during the Horizon spill. I loved seeing your
photos of one flying and well. Also a magnificent bird.
On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 7:39 AM Paul Dickson via groups.io <paul=
<morrisdickson.com...> wrote:
> Wow! Congratulations.
> Your well timed offshore trip reveals these Arctic breeding, continental
> overfly migrants like sea ducks later in fall, that are passing over our
> heads. We are currently assisting a USFWS research group based in Alaska
> with Red Phalarope studies. Their satellite transmitters indicate a wide
> span of winter range for Red Phalarope in the Pacific from some that go no
> further south than waters off California to their furthest tracked migrants
> reaching the Pacific region of the Galapagos. These fall migrants that you
> found could be bound for either southern ocean after a center NA
> overflight. Fascinating! We are working on better methods of satellite
> transmitter attachments as the technology in transmitter development races
> to smaller, longer lasting and richer in data transmitters. Perhaps
> phalarope and arctic gulls like these in the Gulf could be tagged and
> monitored and their further pelagic secrets unlocked. Doing so reveals the
> critical stopover habitats, in this case sea conditions, diets and
> energetics so to allow conservation to work for them. Ocean health is still
> a conservation frontier. We are studying Red Phalarope dietary profiles
> and pathology at Pinola Aviary. We have already discovered that like
> eiders, Red Phalarope are susceptible to avian pox. As this virus is
> ubiquitous and freely transmitted by wild birds inland, this would explain
> why Red Phalarope, like sea ducks, don’t have a pattern of stopping
> inland. Those that do are less likely to survive inland pathogens to which
> they have no immunities thus not get back to breed and pass on inland
> stopover genetic information.
> That must have been a very exciting moment of discovery!
> Paul D
>
>
> From: <labird...> <labird...> On Behalf Of Paul Conover via
> groups.io
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2025 8:41 PM
> To: LABIRD list <labird...>
> Subject: [labird] Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls on Saturday's Venice
> pelagic trip
>
> Posted for Van who's having tech issues:Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> From:
> James Remsen <najames...><mailto:<najames...>> >
>
> Subject:
> Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls on Saturday's Venice pelagic trip
>
>
> Date:
> September 22, 2025 at 1:30:04 PM CDT
>
>
> To:
> LABIRD <labird...><mailto:<labird...>> >
>
>
> LABIRD: Saturday's Venice pelagic trip produced stunning views of two
> top-tier rarities that were state birds or lifers for almost everyone on
> board: Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls. Not all photos have been uploaded
> yet. Here's the full trip report:
>
> https://ebird.org/tripreport/414205<https://ebird.org/tripreport/414205> >
> Van Remsen
>
> ===================
>
> Dr. J. V. Remsen
> Emeritus Prof. of Natural Science and Curator of Birds
> Museum of Natural Science/Dept. Biological Sciences
> LSU, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
> najames<at>LSU.edu<http://LSU.edu> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 9/23/25 5:39 am From: Paul Dickson via groups.io <paul...> Subject: Re: [labird] Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls on Saturday's Venice pelagic trip
Wow! Congratulations.
Your well timed offshore trip reveals these Arctic breeding, continental overfly migrants like sea ducks later in fall, that are passing over our heads. We are currently assisting a USFWS research group based in Alaska with Red Phalarope studies. Their satellite transmitters indicate a wide span of winter range for Red Phalarope in the Pacific from some that go no further south than waters off California to their furthest tracked migrants reaching the Pacific region of the Galapagos. These fall migrants that you found could be bound for either southern ocean after a center NA overflight. Fascinating! We are working on better methods of satellite transmitter attachments as the technology in transmitter development races to smaller, longer lasting and richer in data transmitters. Perhaps phalarope and arctic gulls like these in the Gulf could be tagged and monitored and their further pelagic secrets unlocked. Doing so reveals the critical stopover habitats, in this case sea conditions, diets and energetics so to allow conservation to work for them. Ocean health is still a conservation frontier. We are studying Red Phalarope dietary profiles and pathology at Pinola Aviary. We have already discovered that like eiders, Red Phalarope are susceptible to avian pox. As this virus is ubiquitous and freely transmitted by wild birds inland, this would explain why Red Phalarope, like sea ducks, don’t have a pattern of stopping inland. Those that do are less likely to survive inland pathogens to which they have no immunities thus not get back to breed and pass on inland stopover genetic information.
That must have been a very exciting moment of discovery!
Paul D
From: <labird...> <labird...> On Behalf Of Paul Conover via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2025 8:41 PM
To: LABIRD list <labird...>
Subject: [labird] Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls on Saturday's Venice pelagic trip
Posted for Van who's having tech issues:Begin forwarded message:
LABIRD: Saturday's Venice pelagic trip produced stunning views of two top-tier rarities that were state birds or lifers for almost everyone on board: Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls. Not all photos have been uploaded yet. Here's the full trip report:
Dr. J. V. Remsen
Emeritus Prof. of Natural Science and Curator of Birds
Museum of Natural Science/Dept. Biological Sciences
LSU, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
najames<at>LSU.edu<http://LSU.edu>
Date: 9/22/25 6:41 pm From: Paul Conover via groups.io <zoiseaux...> Subject: [labird] Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls on Saturday's Venice pelagic trip
Posted for Van who's having tech issues:Begin forwarded message:
From: James Remsen <najames...>
Subject: Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls on Saturday's Venice pelagic trip
Date: September 22, 2025 at 1:30:04 PM CDT
To: LABIRD <labird...>
LABIRD: Saturday's Venice pelagic trip produced stunning views of two top-tier rarities that were state birds or lifers for almost everyone on board: Red Phalarope and Sabine's Gulls. Not all photos have been uploaded yet. Here's the full trip report:
Dr. J. V. Remsen Emeritus Prof. of Natural Science and Curator of Birds Museum of Natural Science/Dept. Biological Sciences LSU, Baton Rouge, LA 70803 najames<at>LSU.edu
