Date: 9/2/25 3:59 pm From: <reports...> Subject: [birders] Detroit River Hawk Watch (02 Sep 2025) 25 Raptors
Detroit River Hawk Watch
Brownstown, Michigan, USA
Daily Raptor Counts: Sep 02, 2025
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Observation start time: 08:00:00
Observation end time: 15:00:00
Total observation time: 7 hours
Official Counter: Jo Patterson
Observers: Andrew Sturgess, Erika Van Kirk, Johannes Postma,
Mark Hainen
Visitors:
We welcome visitors to our site as we are eager to share the joys of hawk
watching with one and all. Although there may be times in which we are all
very busy and need alone-time to concentrate, those are the times that are
most enjoyable for visitors as the skies are filled with migrating raptors.
Weather:
We had a little bit of good fortune today as the predicted wind shift to
the southeast did not materialize until later than predicted. Not that
today’s count will go down in the annals of the watch site as a
red-letter day, but something is better than nothing. The winds stayed
northerly in the morning hours, although the swing around the compass to
the southeast did take place and once again, as the wind blew off the lake,
we were treated to an everchanging, ever-growing, multi-hued and
multi-textured convective cumulus cloud buildup and dissipation that would
have pleased to no end Mr. Luke Howard… had he not been dead some 160
years. (Howard was the original cloud whisperer who was so fascinated with
clouds that he devised a system for classification that was adopted
worldwide and he gave them the Latin names that we still use today.) But I
digress; temperatures reached past the mid-seventies, but again we didn’t
feel the full effect due to the cooling wind off the lake. The barometer
was falling, but taking its time as it barely dropped below the thirty-inch
mark at day’s end, having started the best part of two tenths higher at
the midnight hour. With the relative humidity relatively low, it was a
pleasant early fall day.
Raptor Observations:
The northern winds carried a small number of broadwings our way this
morning with them being pushed further away as the winds shifted to a more
easterly direction. Three was the biggest number we saw together, with most
being solo travelers. The final tally was nineteen. Harriers reached the
second step on the podium with late afternoon arrivals, but three birds is
a pretty puny showing for second place. Two kestrels placed third, while a
single red-tailed hawk brought up the rear.
Non-raptor Observations:
Our purple martins had decided to roost elsewhere overnight but made an
appearance off to the north in the early hours. I suspect the winds were
moving most of the insect biomass to the north as the swallows, swifts and
martins were much scarcer than yesterday. They also took most of the gulls
with them. Cedar waxwings were present and accounted for today, hawking
insects from their usual tree perches. Pelicans were back in force today as
several flights were noted with a total over one hundred, and possibly
higher since it is hard to tell with those birds whether one group has
splintered from the main group, circled around, and reemerged as a new
flight. The story of the day though was one of our local eagles who took an
interest in some, probably long deceased, object in the water. It was
hounded by a young ring-billed gull, who was acting very aggressively. The
eagle made several passes, unable to connect with its target before
actually landing on the water, much to our collective surprise. We were
unable to tell if the bird had anything in its talons, but it did make one
attempt to lift off without success and it looked like it had a heavier
load than it could lift. The eagle stayed in the water, floating like a
duck for five minutes! (We timed it.) It finally lifted off without any
cargo, none the worse for wear apparently. It was an interesting thing to
see as it was a first for all of us. They usually pluck items from the
water with only the talons getting wet, unlike the osprey, who literally
goes all in. You learn something every day.
Predictions:
Tomorrow should be a mostly sunny day as the barometer continues to drop,
ushering a couple of days of cloudy low pressure with some precipitation
indicated in the forecast. Temperatures will be knocking at eighties door
with southerly winds bringing up the heat from more southern climes. Hold
on to your hats though, as the next day will only reach the mid-sixties as
more northerly winds take over. The rainfall is predicted for the overnight
hours between Wednesday and Thursday. The strong southwest winds, rising to
double digits, are not our favorite and the count results will probably be
meager.
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Report submitted by Andrew Sturgess (<ajyes72...>)
Detroit River Hawk Watch information may be found at:
http://www.detroitriverhawkwatch.org
Date: 9/2/25 3:46 pm From: Mag Tait <magtait1...> Subject: Re: [birders] David and Goliath
That is quite a list!
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> On Sep 2, 2025, at 3:52 PM, Ivan LaHaie <dr.burbun...> wrote:
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> While sitting on the deck eating lunch I witnessed a hummingbird chasing a WB nuthatch from tree to tree in the woods. Never seen anything like that before. It wasn’t about to give up, either.
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> Ivan
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 3:52 PM Ivan LaHaie <dr.burbun...> wrote:
> While sitting on the deck eating lunch I witnessed a hummingbird chasing a
> WB nuthatch from tree to tree in the woods. Never seen anything like that
> before. It wasn’t about to give up, either.
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Date: 9/2/25 1:15 pm From: Mag Tait <magtait1...> Subject: Re: [birders] David and Goliath
They are pretty feisty this time of year!
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> On Sep 2, 2025, at 3:52 PM, Ivan LaHaie <dr.burbun...> wrote:
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> While sitting on the deck eating lunch I witnessed a hummingbird chasing a WB nuthatch from tree to tree in the woods. Never seen anything like that before. It wasn’t about to give up, either.
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> Ivan
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Date: 9/2/25 12:52 pm From: Ivan LaHaie <dr.burbun...> Subject: [birders] David and Goliath
While sitting on the deck eating lunch I witnessed a hummingbird chasing a WB nuthatch from tree to tree in the woods. Never seen anything like that before. It wasn’t about to give up, either.
Ivan
Prospect Hill S of Easudes
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Observation start time: 07:00:00 Observation end time: 13:00:00 Total observation time: 6 hours
Official Counter: Noel Herdman
Observers: Hugh Kent, Liz Kent, Paul Pratt
Visitors: Thanks to Noel for being Official Counter today - great job and Liz, Paul and Hugh for helping out. A few visitors mostly looking at the view and it was nice to see the Passerine Banders in the last hour.
Weather: Wind initially moderate from N then moving to SSW in the early afternoon. Clear to start with, gradually clouding up. Hot in the early afternoon.
Raptor Observations: Expected mix with again a few Broad-winged Hawks (14) appearing from the NE.
Predictions: Similar to today, warm with a moderate wind from the SW. So raptor numbers and species likely to be similar. Hoping for a few more American Kestrels and Sharp-shinned Hawks ======================================================================== Report submitted by Hugh Kent (<Hughnkent...>) Holiday Beach Hawk Watch information may be found at: http://hbmo.ca/
Date: 9/1/25 4:07 pm From: <reports...> Subject: [birders] Detroit River Hawk Watch (01 Sep 2025) 34 Raptors
Detroit River Hawk Watch
Brownstown, Michigan, USA
Daily Raptor Counts: Sep 01, 2025
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Observation start time: 08:00:00
Observation end time: 15:00:00
Total observation time: 7 hours
Official Counter: Jo Patterson
Observers: Andrew Sturgess, Bill Peregord, Erika Van Kirk,
Frank Kitakis, Jerry Jourdan, Michelle Peregord
Visitors:
We welcome visitors to our site as we are eager to share the joys of hawk
watching with one and all. Although there may be times in which we are all
very busy and need alone-time to concentrate, those are the times that are
most enjoyable for visitors as the skies are filled with migrating raptors.
Weather:
“The voice of the turtle is heard in our land”, as the late, great
Ernie Harwell would recite every year, opening a new season for the Detroit
Tigers. Today we opened a new season of hawk counting at the Lake Erie
Metro Park, and staying in the baseball idiom, riding on the shoulders of a
northerly starting wind, we won the opening-day game. The past few years
have been a coin toss as to whether we would sit through a blazing hot
remnant of summer, or hopefully, have a hint-of-fall day with favorable
winds. We lucked out this year with the latter. The winds did take quite a
swing around the compass, starting north and ending southeast, probably
hurting our totals. The wind strength was in our sweet spot of seven to
nine mph. As the wind was passing through the easterly stage, the
convective cumulus clouds that form on the edge of the lake became more
prominent in the sky over us, darkening on the bottom to an almost ominous
shade of blue-gray, although I don’t think any of us actually felt
threatened. Temperatures reached a peak of seventy-six degrees, which was
tempered in our location as the wind blew off the lake in the afternoon
hours. A reminder that when hawk-watching, you should keep two more layers
than you think necessary in the car just as best practice. The barometer is
beginning a gradual decline which should culminate in a rainy period in a
couple of days. It stayed in the 30.2” range today but the downward trend
had begun by late afternoon. It was a pleasant Labor Day, made more
pleasant by the reunion with old friends, all of whom had managed to
suppress the memories of more malign days sitting for hours in freezing
winds with little to show for it.
Raptor Observations:
It’s always good to see broadwings on the first day as the waft their way
south, taking their time at a pace we wish we could emulate in our own
frenetic lives. We managed to put twenty-two of them on the clicker today,
usually two or three at a time. Seven red-tails flew over, although we are
a little wary that there may be locals patrolling their territories, as
some were headed in the wrong direction and were not counted. Three
kestrels scooted by and there may have been a fourth as we got a brief
glimpse of another small falcon with not enough time to determine whether
kestrel or merlin. The kestrels appeared dark today due to lighting
conditions and that is usually an indication of merlin so it remained an
Unknown Falcon. We had one harrier in the late afternoon. We did see bald
eagles and osprey but those were deemed local and not counted. Cooper’s
hawks were present, but they were seen multiple times in the usual haunts
for our local birds.
Non-raptor Observations:
The non-raptor side of things was interesting. We were greeted by the sight
of hundreds of purple martins amassed in the dead trees close to the hawk
watch. They seem to disburse during the day as is their wont, but swifts
and swallows of various persuasions took their place, although in smaller
numbers. Warblers were reported on the trails. Cormorants are there in some
numbers but not the large conglomerations that seem to form a little later
in the season. A kingfisher made a few appearances. Both a great blue heron
and great egret flew by. The largest wingspans we saw belonged to a flight
of approximately forty-five American white pelicans headed north out over
the lake. Pied-billed grebes, a common sighting at the watch, were also
noted. Three mute swans made a cameo appearance. A yellow -shafted northern
flicker undulated over. Today was a very good day for monarch butterflies
as we notched 129 of them.
Predictions:
Tomorrow has a favorable wind… during the early morning predawn hours.
Unfortunately, when we begin the watch, the wind will shift to the
southeast side of things and grow in strength, staying in the five to eight
mph range. Usually, this carries the wind-surfing birds (broadwings) to the
north of us. Although we generally don’t expect large numbers of them
this early, the premature evacuators are flying already in twos and threes
as we witnessed today. Sunny skies are expected with temps about the same
as today. The barometer will be falling, crossing the 30-inch barrier late
in the afternoon.
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Report submitted by Andrew Sturgess (<ajyes72...>)
Detroit River Hawk Watch information may be found at:
http://www.detroitriverhawkwatch.org
Observation start time: 07:00:00 Observation end time: 14:00:00 Total observation time: 7 hours
Official Counter: Hugh Kent
Observers: Daniel Lee, Ian Woodfield, Liz Kent, Mike Jaber, Noel Herdman, Paul Gosselin
Visitors: Thanks to Liz, Noel, Mike, Paul, Daniel and Ian for help on the Tower. We had about 20 visitors who showed an interest in the Count and it was good to see Lizzi and Jason again.
Weather: Clear skies initially, pleasant 16 deg, rising to 27 mid afternoon, becoming progressively cloudier. Light to moderate wind from the NE, veers to SE in afternoon
Raptor Observations: Good start, with 25 Broad-winged Hawks. Mostly high to the north east.
Non-raptor Observations: Good varied list of 61 species. Morning flyover of 14 Bobolink, probably an underestimate. List at https://ebird.org/checklist/S270961727
Predictions: Hopefully similar to today, but wind is predicted from the SE. ======================================================================== Report submitted by Hugh Kent (<Hughnkent...>) Holiday Beach Hawk Watch information may be found at: http://hbmo.ca/
Date: 9/1/25 12:57 pm From: Mag Tait <magtait1...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Apparently, rabies is on the rise. NBC NEWS: 'They would never have known': New warnings about rabies outbreaks as cases rise
Date: 9/1/25 11:45 am From: 'Diane Gildersleeve' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Apparently, rabies is on the rise. NBC NEWS: 'They would never have known': New warnings about rabies outbreaks as cases rise
Date: 8/31/25 9:18 pm From: 'April Deborah Campbell' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Apparently, rabies is on the rise. NBC NEWS: 'They would never have known': New warnings about rabies outbreaks as cases rise
I believe the city took my call too casually. A neighbor cat is now missing shortly after I found the bat.
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Date: 8/31/25 6:52 pm From: Mag Tait <magtait1...> Subject: [birders] OT: Apparently, rabies is on the rise. NBC NEWS: 'They would never have known': New warnings about rabies outbreaks as cases rise
Date: 8/30/25 8:20 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Quiscalusquisculafication
Quiscalusquisculafication-Rock is brought to you by your very favorite general…General Foods.
For anyone who remembers that series from Saturday morning cartoons in the ‘70s…
Today marks the first day that Common Grackles have found my place for fall migration. I don’t want to go out without an umbrella right now. Maybe 500 of them have found the feeder station. The suet cakes look like bizarre blocks of flapping wings. They also look to be raking the ground below for any Black Oilers the Wild Turkeys may have missed. Glad they’re only here for five minutes but…that’s all the time it takes for them to strip the place bare. As an aside this looks to be a mast-year for Red Oaks here if not Hickory. Folks in the Midwest are also noticing historically unprecedented butterfly abundance. I’d say the Moths are doing well too. Could increased Moth numbers be related to fewer Bats for the last few years? How’s by you?
Fred near Port Huron
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Date: 8/30/25 7:43 am From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: [birders] (OT) Sibley Prairie
Sibley Prairie, of course, is also a wonderful birding site!
While the 440-acre property is not open to the public, we are seeking
people willing to take photographs of the prairie habitat at the Sibley
Prairie - West Prairie for use on our website.
West Prairie is currently owned by Southeast Michigan Land Conservancy:
We particularly need photos showing the prairie landscape, as well as
photos of flowering plants, insects, etc.
It looks like this weekend will be a great time for outdoor photography, so
any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.
Jack Smiley
*SALE OF SIBLEY PRAIRIE PUT ON HOLD*
In a dramatic turn of events, the planned auction of 440 acres at the heart
of Sibley Prairie has been halted. Fritz Enterprises, Inc. has granted the
Michigan Land Conservancy an option to purchase the property for $6
million. Working with a coalition of conservation partners, the Conservancy
is now racing to secure the funds needed to protect this irreplaceable
natural treasure for future generations.
Located in heavily-populated Wayne County, Sibley Prairie is the largest
and highest-quality lakeplain prairie remaining in the entire state. Once
prairies covered thousands of acres in Michigan, but this rare habitat has
been almost entirely lost. Sibley Prairie is the last of its kind and
harbors a number of threatened and endangered species. The property also
contains significant forest and wetland habitats that reduce flooding,
filter water, and provide essential refuge for wildlife.
Although the purchase option extends through next year, the coalition must
raise $1 million before the end of 2025 to keep the effort on track.
Fundraising is underway and a new website is being finalized. The website
can already accept online donations.
Every gift—large or small—will bring us closer to our goal to *Save Sibley
Prairie*! To learn more or make a donation, please visit:
*SaveSibleyPrairie.org*.
“ This can’t be right—my app says it’s an American tree sparrow.”
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Date: 8/24/25 7:29 am From: Mag Tait <magtait1...> Subject: Re: [birders] Totally OT
WOW! That is a big visitor!
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> On Aug 24, 2025, at 9:47 AM, Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
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> This is about as far from a bird as one could get, but this beautiful beast showed up right on our front “lawn” up here in the Keweenaw a couple of days ago. First moose I’ve ever seen. Totally mesmerized everyone along our one mile two track road!
>
> Dody
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Date: 8/24/25 6:47 am From: Dody Wyman <dody...> Subject: [birders] Totally OT
This is about as far from a bird as one could get, but this beautiful beast showed up right on our front “lawn” up here in the Keweenaw a couple of days ago. First moose I’ve ever seen. Totally mesmerized everyone along our one mile two track road!
Dody
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From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2025 8:33:07 AM
To: Dody Wyman <dody...>
Cc: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; BIRDERS@UMICH <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
True, but Yogi is smarter than the average bear. Or so I hear...
On Wed, Aug 20, 2025, 7:46 AM Dody Wyman <dody...><mailto:<dody...>> wrote:
Yes - but they’d have a hard time reaching them.
On Aug 20, 2025, at 1:10 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
If Yogi likes Honey and Pic-a-nic baskets…wouldn’t your average Black Bear partake in sugar water?
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From: Dody Wyman <dody...><mailto:<dody...>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2025 2:56:30 PM
To: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...><mailto:<amazilia3...>> Cc: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>>; <birders...><mailto:<birders...> <birders...><mailto:<birders...>> Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
Thank you Allen! I totally misjudged how much the young look like adult females. I know they have a long way to go from here, and they are obviously tanking up at every opportunity.
As an aside, we don’t feed any other songbirds here because we don’t want to attract the bears. So the hummers give us great pleasure to watch and listen to!
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...><mailto:<amazilia3...>> wrote:
Dody,
Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably sooner from the Keweenaw.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...><mailto:<dody...>> wrote:
Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes well into dusk most days.
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2025, 7:46 AM Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
> Yes - but they’d have a hard time reaching them.
>
> On Aug 20, 2025, at 1:10 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
>
> If Yogi likes Honey and Pic-a-nic baskets…wouldn’t your average Black Bear
> partake in sugar water?
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dody Wyman <dody...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2025 2:56:30 PM
> *To:* Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
> *Cc:* Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...> <
> <birders...>
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
>
> Thank you Allen! I totally misjudged how much the young look like adult
> females. I know they have a long way to go from here, and they are
> obviously tanking up at every opportunity.
>
> As an aside, we don’t feed any other songbirds here because we don’t want
> to attract the bears. So the hummers give us great pleasure to watch and
> listen to!
>
> Dody
>
> On Aug 19, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
> Dody,
>
> Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are
> surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably
> sooner from the Keweenaw.
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
> Email: <amazilia3...>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ > Website/Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ >
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the
> Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once
> every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing
> over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a
> head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes
> well into dusk most days.
>
> Dody
>
> On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed
> Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places
> in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the
> bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather
> PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these
> birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial
> establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors
> enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing
> around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare
> or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do
> to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing
> another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite
> intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at
> and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
>
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 6:50 PM Mag Tait <magtait1...><mailto:<magtait1...>> wrote:
Definitely going through a lot of nectar here in Hamburg with lots of chirping and aerial acrobatics. I love this time of year.
I just had a conversation that ended with my being declared wrong with a neighbor who said she saw a larger hummingbird at her feeder that definitely wasn’t a ruby throated because it didn’t have a red throat and was larger than the ruby throated she had seen near it.
I told her that while it is possible that she saw a different species, it would be a rarity, etc., etc. and that it was likely a female and then just gave up.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:12 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...><mailto:<amazilia3...>> wrote:
Hopefully you keep your hummingbird feeders out of reach, as bears will go after them too.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 2:57 PM Dody Wyman <dody...><mailto:<dody...>> wrote:
Thank you Allen! I totally misjudged how much the young look like adult females. I know they have a long way to go from here, and they are obviously tanking up at every opportunity.
As an aside, we don’t feed any other songbirds here because we don’t want to attract the bears. So the hummers give us great pleasure to watch and listen to!
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...><mailto:<amazilia3...>> wrote:
Dody,
Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably sooner from the Keweenaw.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...><mailto:<dody...>> wrote:
Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes well into dusk most days.
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
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Date: 8/19/25 10:10 pm From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
If Yogi likes Honey and Pic-a-nic baskets…wouldn’t your average Black Bear partake in sugar water?
________________________________
From: Dody Wyman <dody...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2025 2:56:30 PM
To: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Cc: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...> <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
Thank you Allen! I totally misjudged how much the young look like adult females. I know they have a long way to go from here, and they are obviously tanking up at every opportunity.
As an aside, we don’t feed any other songbirds here because we don’t want to attract the bears. So the hummers give us great pleasure to watch and listen to!
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
Dody,
Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably sooner from the Keweenaw.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...><mailto:<dody...>> wrote:
Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes well into dusk most days.
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 6:50 PM Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
> Definitely going through a lot of nectar here in Hamburg with lots of
> chirping and aerial acrobatics. I love this time of year.
> I just had a conversation that ended with my being declared wrong with a
> neighbor who said she saw a larger hummingbird at her feeder that
> definitely wasn’t a ruby throated because it didn’t have a red throat and
> was larger than the ruby throated she had seen near it.
> I told her that while it is possible that she saw a different species, it
> would be a rarity, etc., etc. and that it was likely a female and then just
> gave up.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:12 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
>
> Hopefully you keep your hummingbird feeders out of reach, as bears will go
> after them too.
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
> Email: <amazilia3...>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ > Website/Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ >
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 2:57 PM Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Allen! I totally misjudged how much the young look like adult
>> females. I know they have a long way to go from here, and they are
>> obviously tanking up at every opportunity.
>>
>> As an aside, we don’t feed any other songbirds here because we don’t want
>> to attract the bears. So the hummers give us great pleasure to watch and
>> listen to!
>>
>> Dody
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
>>
>> Dody,
>>
>> Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are
>> surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably
>> sooner from the Keweenaw.
>>
>> Allen T. Chartier
>> Inkster, Michigan
>> Email: <amazilia3...>
>> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ >> Website/Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ >>
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the
>>> Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once
>>> every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing
>>> over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a
>>> head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes
>>> well into dusk most days.
>>>
>>> Dody
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed
>>> Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places
>>> in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the
>>> bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather
>>> PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these
>>> birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial
>>> establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors
>>> enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing
>>> around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare
>>> or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do
>>> to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing
>>> another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite
>>> intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at
>>> and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
>>>
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 2:57 PM Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
> Thank you Allen! I totally misjudged how much the young look like adult
> females. I know they have a long way to go from here, and they are
> obviously tanking up at every opportunity.
>
> As an aside, we don’t feed any other songbirds here because we don’t want
> to attract the bears. So the hummers give us great pleasure to watch and
> listen to!
>
> Dody
>
> On Aug 19, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
> Dody,
>
> Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are
> surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably
> sooner from the Keweenaw.
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
> Email: <amazilia3...>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ > Website/Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ >
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the
>> Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once
>> every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing
>> over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a
>> head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes
>> well into dusk most days.
>>
>> Dody
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>
>> A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed
>> Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places
>> in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the
>> bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather
>> PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these
>> birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial
>> establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors
>> enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing
>> around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare
>> or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do
>> to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing
>> another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite
>> intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at
>> and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
>>
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Date: 8/19/25 11:57 am From: Dody Wyman <dody...> Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
Thank you Allen! I totally misjudged how much the young look like adult females. I know they have a long way to go from here, and they are obviously tanking up at every opportunity.
As an aside, we don’t feed any other songbirds here because we don’t want to attract the bears. So the hummers give us great pleasure to watch and listen to!
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 2:20 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
Dody,
Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably sooner from the Keweenaw.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...> <mailto:<dody...>> wrote:
> Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes well into dusk most days.
>
> Dody
>
> On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> <mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
>
> A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
>
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Date: 8/19/25 11:21 am From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
Dody,
Young male and young female hummingbirds look like adult females, and are
surely in the mix. Adult males leave the UP by Labor Day and probably
sooner from the Keweenaw.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 11:54 AM Dody Wyman <dody...> wrote:
> Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the
> Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once
> every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing
> over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a
> head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes
> well into dusk most days.
>
> Dody
>
> On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
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> A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed
> Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places
> in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the
> bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather
> PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these
> birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial
> establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors
> enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing
> around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare
> or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do
> to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing
> another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite
> intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at
> and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
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Date: 8/19/25 8:54 am From: Dody Wyman <dody...> Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
Speaking of hummingbirds, we are at our cabin on Lake Superior in the Keweenaw Peninsula. I have three hummer feeders, fill them about once every day, and have anywhere between 7 and 15 or so at one time arguing over them. They are all females… Is this because the males have gotten a head start south? It’s an amazing sight to watch. Starts at dawn and goes well into dusk most days.
Dody
On Aug 19, 2025, at 6:13 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
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Date: 8/19/25 3:13 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Yellow-Billed Cuckoos and Fighter Jets
A couple days ago I heard the very distinctive call of a Yellow-Billed Cuckoo nearby and it made me remember I’d heard this before in other places in Michigan but always at this time of year. I was not able to spot the bird and it’s call was too faint for Merlin (on my phone) or my Birdweather PUC to capture. Is August noted for post-fledge dispersal or are these birds engaged in some kind of migratory or pre-migratory or territorial establishment behavior at this time of year? Secondly, I’ve been outdoors enough lately to be treated to the Ruby-Throated air show. Just putzing around the yard while the Hummingbirds engage in aerial combat or warfare or mating when they come within a foot of my head and do whatever they do to make their feathers rattle. In all cases it seems one is pursuing another at high speed and it seems the sound produced is quite intentional. For modelers, I’m wondering what “scale speeds” they move at and how many “G” forces they subject themselves to?
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Date: 8/15/25 10:25 am From: 'April Campbell' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bats
The woman I spoke to at the Health Dept said because I had not been bitten or really exposed they would not do anything and I needed to call Critter Control. So, there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between their website and what they (this particular person) tells you. I thought they would test the bat, but no. No bite, no test.I’m going to call them again and ask them to “clarify” the situation. Really, the bat should have been tested and this should be a free resource at it pertains to public health.
> On Aug 15, 2025, at 12:33 PM, Laura Woolley <lewoolle...> wrote:
>
> Thank you, George. This is helpful.
>
> Laura
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 15, 2025, at 12:13 AM, 'George Hammond' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>
>> Here is Washtenaw County’s page on rabies. They make it clear that they do very much want people to report animal bites and bat “exposures” and they do say they can arrange animal testing for rabies for a fee. They don’t say anything about testing wildlife that hasn’t bitten or potentially bitten a human. My sense is that to get enough information to be useful, many bats across the state would need to be killed every year (my understanding is that rabies testing is lethal to the animal), and it would cost quite a lot of money. I think in general people tend to think that there is much more monitoring of wildlife and wildlife disease than there actually is.
>> https://www.washtenaw.org/1795/Rabies <https://www.washtenaw.org/1795/Rabies> >>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> George
>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 4:16 PM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would think that they would give information on where to submit a bat for testing, or tell you who to contact. That is disappointing. Hard to get decent statistics if you don’t gather any information!
>>> I do know that the only place you can get post exposure rabies vaccinations locally are at UM Emergency Department. I know this because I did have to get them. It was at least eight years ago because it was when a distinctive raccoon, very reddish, that had been coming into my yard to try to get into the birdfeeders for ages came running out of my garage when I came back from a walk with my big old dog. Cubby went running after the raccoon, excited to have a chance at it, and it leaped onto his face . My little cat came running around the corner (I no longer have any outdoor cats) and leaped onto the raccoon in defense of her dog. So, I did the stupid but automatic thing of reaching in to grab my dog’s collar and pull him away from this raccoon that was trying to bite his face. In the middle of all this, I got scratched. The likelihood of rabies from a raccoon is very small, but it’s not something you mess around with. I had the honor of being the “most interesting patient“ in the emergency room that day, which was especially embarrassing because I worked in Trauma Burn. The whole series only cost me the emergency room fees, and the fact that I had to go back for the two follow up shots, which was relatively easy since I worked directly above them but still involved waiting around.
>>> I was shocked to find out that the cost to the insurance company was $15,000. I don’t know what the insurance company actually paid, but that was what the bill was. Coincidentally, I had a neighbor who had to go through the same series around the same time and his bill was similar.
>>> Mag
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 1:47 PM, April Campbell <adc14...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Health Dept said they don't deal with wildlife. They don't even administer post exposure vaccines. Our public health system is almost nonexistent.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 8:01 AM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.washtenaw.org/1795/Rabies <https://www.washtenaw.org/1795/Rabies>I was shocked that no one wanted to test the bat because I feel like someone keeps statistics. WASHER health department is a rabies resource. It might be worth calling them to see if they Have any advice on what we should do if this would happen again. if this happens again,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 9:15 PM Laura Woolley <lewoolle...> <mailto:<lewoolle...>> wrote:
>>>>> It looks like a wound on its throat? I wonder if it was cat caught - or some other mammal? I hope it wasn’t rabid (which might have made it easier for an animal to catch it).
>>>>> Disappointing that no one was interested in the poor thing (but you were!). Maybe Washtenaw County Health Dept. would be interested? But you may have tried that as well.
>>>>> Thank you for caring.
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2025, at 7:46 PM, 'April Campbell' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, wouldn’t you know. The subject turns to bats and this poor bat shows up on my back patio. There wasn’t a mark on it. BTW,Ann Arbor is only for dogs (that’s what they told me). So, why not call it Dog Control and not have citizens waste time calling them about other wildlife? No one was interested in this bat , not the DNR, Humane Society, or Ann Arbor. Is it rabid? Who knows? Who cares? Apparently , no one. I ended up deposing of it myself. I have bats every night , but they are very diminished from years before, but as Ann Arbor becomes Manhattan, more diminishment is on the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <IMG_1094.jpeg>
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Here is Washtenaw County’s page on rabies. They make it clear that they do very much want people to report animal bites and bat “exposures” and they do say they can arrange animal testing for rabies for a fee. They don’t say anything about testing wildlife that hasn’t bitten or potentially bitten a human. My sense is that to get enough information to be useful, many bats across the state would need to be killed every year (my understanding is that rabies testing is lethal to the animal), and it would cost quite a lot of money. I think in general people tend to think that there is much more monitoring of wildlife and wildlife disease than there actually is.
https://www.washtenaw.org/1795/Rabies
Cheers,
George
> On Aug 13, 2025, at 4:16 PM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
>
> I would think that they would give information on where to submit a bat for testing, or tell you who to contact. That is disappointing. Hard to get decent statistics if you don’t gather any information!
> I do know that the only place you can get post exposure rabies vaccinations locally are at UM Emergency Department. I know this because I did have to get them. It was at least eight years ago because it was when a distinctive raccoon, very reddish, that had been coming into my yard to try to get into the birdfeeders for ages came running out of my garage when I came back from a walk with my big old dog. Cubby went running after the raccoon, excited to have a chance at it, and it leaped onto his face . My little cat came running around the corner (I no longer have any outdoor cats) and leaped onto the raccoon in defense of her dog. So, I did the stupid but automatic thing of reaching in to grab my dog’s collar and pull him away from this raccoon that was trying to bite his face. In the middle of all this, I got scratched. The likelihood of rabies from a raccoon is very small, but it’s not something you mess around with. I had the honor of being the “most interesting patient“ in the emergency room that day, which was especially embarrassing because I worked in Trauma Burn. The whole series only cost me the emergency room fees, and the fact that I had to go back for the two follow up shots, which was relatively easy since I worked directly above them but still involved waiting around.
> I was shocked to find out that the cost to the insurance company was $15,000. I don’t know what the insurance company actually paid, but that was what the bill was. Coincidentally, I had a neighbor who had to go through the same series around the same time and his bill was similar.
> Mag
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 1:47 PM, April Campbell <adc14...> wrote:
>>
>> Health Dept said they don't deal with wildlife. They don't even administer post exposure vaccines. Our public health system is almost nonexistent.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2025, at 8:01 AM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.washtenaw.org/1795/Rabies >>> I was shocked that no one wanted to test the bat because I feel like someone keeps statistics. WASHER health department is a rabies resource. It might be worth calling them to see if they Have any advice on what we should do if this would happen again. if this happens again,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 9:15 PM Laura Woolley <lewoolle...> <mailto:<lewoolle...>> wrote:
>>>> It looks like a wound on its throat? I wonder if it was cat caught - or some other mammal? I hope it wasn’t rabid (which might have made it easier for an animal to catch it).
>>>> Disappointing that no one was interested in the poor thing (but you were!). Maybe Washtenaw County Health Dept. would be interested? But you may have tried that as well.
>>>> Thank you for caring.
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2025, at 7:46 PM, 'April Campbell' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, wouldn’t you know. The subject turns to bats and this poor bat shows up on my back patio. There wasn’t a mark on it. BTW,Ann Arbor is only for dogs (that’s what they told me). So, why not call it Dog Control and not have citizens waste time calling them about other wildlife? No one was interested in this bat , not the DNR, Humane Society, or Ann Arbor. Is it rabid? Who knows? Who cares? Apparently , no one. I ended up deposing of it myself. I have bats every night , but they are very diminished from years before, but as Ann Arbor becomes Manhattan, more diminishment is on the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <IMG_1094.jpeg>
>>>>>
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https://www.washtenaw.org/1795/Rabies I was shocked that no one wanted to test the bat because I feel like
someone keeps statistics. WASHER health department is a rabies resource. It
might be worth calling them to see if they Have any advice on what we
should do if this would happen again. if this happens again,
On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 9:15 PM Laura Woolley <lewoolle...> wrote:
> It looks like a wound on its throat? I wonder if it was cat caught - or
> some other mammal? I hope it wasn’t rabid (which might have made it easier
> for an animal to catch it).
> Disappointing that no one was interested in the poor thing (but you
> were!). Maybe Washtenaw County Health Dept. would be interested? But you
> may have tried that as well.
> Thank you for caring.
> Laura
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 12, 2025, at 7:46 PM, 'April Campbell' via Birders <
> <birders...> wrote:
>
> Well, wouldn’t you know. The subject turns to bats and this poor bat
> shows up on my back patio. There wasn’t a mark on it. BTW,Ann Arbor is only
> for dogs (that’s what they told me). So, why not call it Dog Control and
> not have citizens waste time calling them about other wildlife? No one was
> interested in this bat , not the DNR, Humane Society, or Ann Arbor. Is it
> rabid? Who knows? Who cares? Apparently , no one. I ended up deposing of it
> myself. I have bats every night , but they are very diminished from years
> before, but as Ann Arbor becomes Manhattan, more diminishment is on the
> way.
>
>
> <IMG_1094.jpeg>
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Well, wouldn’t you know. The subject turns to bats and this poor bat shows up on my back patio. There wasn’t a mark on it. BTW,Ann Arbor is only for dogs (that’s what they told me). So, why not call it Dog Control and not have citizens waste time calling them about other wildlife? No one was interested in this bat , not the DNR, Humane Society, or Ann Arbor. Is it rabid? Who knows? Who cares? Apparently , no one. I ended up deposing of it myself. I have bats every night , but they are very diminished from years before, but as Ann Arbor becomes Manhattan, more diminishment is on the way.
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Date: 8/11/25 6:08 pm From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT spiny spider
Mag,
This is a Spined Micrathena (Micrathena sagittata), a common species. So
common that I didn't have to look it up; I've seen it so many times and
places. But always a cool-looking spider.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 7:13 PM Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
> This is at my neighbor’s house and it’s so cool. It’s pretty small, and
> very distinctive. From what we looked up it’s a spiny orb spider but I
> don’t see that as a spider that is found in Michigan. Do any of you know
> anything about these cool creatures?
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I have been out of state A lot this year, but I think I’ve only seen one or
two bats. Usually, my tree lined street which is a court that ends in the
woods at my house is like a tunnel for the bats this time of year. I’ll
take a look. My evening walks are on a private road by a lake this week
because I’m dog sitting, but eventually I’ll actually be home.
There certainly have been enough mosquitoes for them.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 7:05 PM Kathie <gourlay222...> wrote:
> We usually have a bat, occasionally two, roost on the side of our second
> story, behind a window box, but none this year.
> Kathie Gourlay
> Lima Township
>
> On Aug 10, 2025, at 9:02 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
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> Sitting outside soaked in perspiration, getting bitten by Mosquitos,
> trying to cool off after another sweltering August weekend and thinking
> about Bats. Cicadas and Tree Crickets are buzzing as darkness begins to
> settle in. I’m waiting for Bats. How is everyone else doing as far as
> local wildlife goes? I finally had a pair of Bluebirds move in on July
> 4th. They are still here and the female is still sitting on four (what
> must be dud) eggs which were supposed to have hatched on Jul 30. Have seen
> young House Finches, Red Bellies and Pileated and Hummers were still
> “J-Dancing” last week. The Orioles have been gone for five days now and we
> never did see any young Orioles. Purple Martins making their way in small
> groups south along the Black River to join their premigratory roosts. Hope
> you are all doing well. Fred near Port Huron.
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This is at my neighbor’s house and it’s so cool. It’s pretty small, and very distinctive. From what we looked up it’s a spiny orb spider but I don’t see that as a spider that is found in Michigan. Do any of you know anything about these cool creatures?
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We usually have a bat, occasionally two, roost on the side of our second story, behind a window box, but none this year.
Kathie Gourlay
Lima Township
> On Aug 10, 2025, at 9:02 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> Sitting outside soaked in perspiration, getting bitten by Mosquitos, trying to cool off after another sweltering August weekend and thinking about Bats. Cicadas and Tree Crickets are buzzing as darkness begins to settle in. I’m waiting for Bats. How is everyone else doing as far as local wildlife goes? I finally had a pair of Bluebirds move in on July 4th. They are still here and the female is still sitting on four (what must be dud) eggs which were supposed to have hatched on Jul 30. Have seen young House Finches, Red Bellies and Pileated and Hummers were still “J-Dancing” last week. The Orioles have been gone for five days now and we never did see any young Orioles. Purple Martins making their way in small groups south along the Black River to join their premigratory roosts. Hope you are all doing well. Fred near Port Huron.
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Sitting outside soaked in perspiration, getting bitten by Mosquitos, trying to cool off after another sweltering August weekend and thinking about Bats. Cicadas and Tree Crickets are buzzing as darkness begins to settle in. I’m waiting for Bats. How is everyone else doing as far as local wildlife goes? I finally had a pair of Bluebirds move in on July 4th. They are still here and the female is still sitting on four (what must be dud) eggs which were supposed to have hatched on Jul 30. Have seen young House Finches, Red Bellies and Pileated and Hummers were still “J-Dancing” last week. The Orioles have been gone for five days now and we never did see any young Orioles. Purple Martins making their way in small groups south along the Black River to join their premigratory roosts. Hope you are all doing well. Fred near Port Huron.
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